For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return, Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic, because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself -- her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1...@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
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Date: 18 Jun 1999 16:18:28 GMT
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Message-ID: <19990618121828.01986.00001123@ng-cc1.aol.com>
>From: lpac
...@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314
...@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
>well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments.
Well, Leslie you purposely deleted AST from the crosspost to post a veiled
threat to me, thinking it'll go nowhere. Sorry, after what Rauni and crew have
done on and offline, I will repost their's and your's crap that is abusive. I
will not be your "victim," nor tolerate your MH Stigmatizing ways.
Oh, you don't want me to post full details, or this NG would be flooded with
the *truth* about you. Love for you to complain to AOL once they preview that
crap.
I don't complain to ISPs, and offline until I'm personally attacked, Leslie.
When there's a clear boundary crossing, I will. And the thing is folks listen,
because I don't abuse the system with complaints, and I'll provide them the
COMPLETE references -- no packets, no snippets.
AOL and other ISPs must have a log about you by now. Constant complainers are
treated like uninvited salespeople, if you didn't know. But thanks for
complaining to AOL.
>To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative
Too bad Leslie that you used that character as an example -- he was the CO in
charge of his men, and allowed "red alerts" (hazing of Marines who didn't abeit
by social conventions of a particular unit -- which is illegal by the Military
code of justice). Thanks for letting folks know what you think is "right" and
"ethical."
Don't believe me, rent the video yourself.
Again, I have absolutely no agendas, Leslie. I just report my direct
experience, or what I've seen, read or know personally.
It's fervent when you try to hurt another. I called your marker, and it's
because you crossed both professional and personal ethical boundaries.
>-- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports.
Stigmatizing folks, and then making veiled threats isn't protesting, it's
abuse.
There's plenty of direct experience out there about CSA as being horrid, but
you don't want Survivors to speak up or out about it. How about your TS
clients?? Do you just allow those who agree with *your* views to have any say
here and elsewhere? You just shown here recently you're a censor. What else are
you trying to hush up?
You complain about my character, Leslie, so if the shoe fits wear it yourself.
>Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else.
You're actions speak of you being a pedophile supporter, Leslie. You don't like
that, but look at the evidence. Whenever someone posts something about CSA that
disagrees with some FMSF and NAMBLA agenda, your friends and you come out to
denounce it. Even though there's thousands of pure scientifically conducted
studies that show CSA is harmful, you want so desperately to cling onto some
meta-analysis, or some other non-peer reviewed study to support that raping
kids isn't harmful. No child asks to be raped -- none, zip, zero.
A pedophile (and their supporters) try to excuse it by bad "science," state
that a child wants to be raped (they just hate that word "rape," it's only
"love" to them when they tear the insides out of a child, emotionally and
physically), and that it's the child who came onto them -- which makes it's
justifiable to them. Nevermind self-control. Then there's a whole other agenda
of trying to legalize (the NAMBLA line) pedophilia to make these perps get away
with harming more kids.
I'm a Survivor, Leslie, you can try to fool others but you will never full
someone who's lived through it. It was wrong then, a child FEELS it's wrong,
and it's wrong today.
>When they don't have
>the facts,
I'm a walking experience of fact. So are thousands of other Survivors of abuse.
They know directly the effects of it, something no one else does. It's like
trying to explain the daily life of TS to the very same doctors I've read on
this NG. No one would understand more than the population that's affected by a
condition.
>they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character.
No Leslie that's your tactics -- it's YOU who started with the Stigmatizing
line, ran off to AOL to censor, *and* made a veiled threat to spam not only
Usenet NGs where I visit, but my own BPD forum. That's the facts, Leslie.
>Unfortunately for them, I don't back off.
Same with me. Attack me, and folks will know about it. Don't attack me, and I
won't need to post about you.
> I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
I don't NEED science to prove to me that CSA is harmful, I'm living proof of
it! You'd cry out about my BPD symptoms, but fail to see that a lot of
Borderlines are victims of abuse. As well as MPD/DIDs. We're walking
testimonials of how abuse messes with one's mind, and how it leaves a legacy
years on down the road. YOU don't want to admit it, but go on with this
"pseudoscience" crap to try to discount Survivors of their OWN feelings, and
experiences.
Read the hard numbers, Leslie, and how many of the MI have experienced abuse.
That's a shockingly high number, and no one can refute that abuse is harmful
with such numbers -- except for folks who in fact who use "pseudoscience" to
debunk legitamate studies with thousands of subjects.
Meta-analysis is previewing other studies and rounding up the statistics, it's
not conducting a study with human controls from the conception to the final
review.
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845
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