WTB: War of the Worlds UR

-Frank

Define: reasonable

MH

Gosh, I'm almost sorry I asked! The hobby sure ain't
what it used to be, huh fellas??

I gotta say, after coughing and nearly choking to death,
I'm really surprised and kind of offended. Reasonable
is NOT what Joe just said he'd sell one for, especially
since it's in a beat up and filthy looking Star Castle
cab that he's been sitting on for years. Looks like it
needs a TON of work!

C'mon guys... is this machine really worth that much??
I'm not one of these guys that sells real estate and
has more dollars than sense here. But if they're really
fetching those kinds of dollars, which I highly doubt,
then I guess I'll just be happy playing it in colour
using MAME ;-) Maybe even build my own cabinet with
MUCH better artwork than the original and throw a CD
in there spinning Jeff Wayne.

To answer your question, I would define "reasonable"
as less than $500. More than $500 and it should be
in tip top shape - brand new looking. I make no
apologies for my next statement: I do not gouge,
therefore, I do not expect to be gouged. I also
don't sit on machines for years, waiting for just
the right pigeon. That's not the way I like to do
things. I wheel and deal for the right people or
offers and would also define that as "reasonable".

I've got a TRON UR that's going to be minted out soon.
And I mean - just_like_brand new. All new parts from
Phoenix, etc. Any takers at $2500? I was told yesterday
that's what they "fetch" in the Chicagoland market.
Sounds like sci-fi to me, but maybe I've been living
in WI far too long ;-)

If I can sell Trons for $2500, I might then, just
maybe, be able to "justify" getting a beat up WotW's
to call my own from someone that probably got it for
next to nothing in a package deal ;-) LOL!

Just more proof I guess, that I need to raise
*my* prices!

-Frank

www.coinopdreams.com

Trons in like new/better than new condition in Chicagoland sell
for $2500. Joe wants $2500 for a dirty, scratched up and
non-dedicated War of the Worlds.

What about this comparison, especially monetarily, is silly??

http://www.tollianweb.com/uc/War_Of_The_Worlds/War_Of_The_Worlds.html

I know it's dirty. I had not posted it for sale, and was not actively yet
trying to sell it. I was simply responding to a WTB post. If I was actively
trying to sell, of course I would have cleaned it up first. I quoted a
price of $2500. I know that's on the high side, but not horribly out of
line. I recall 2 closing on ebay, one at $2100, another at $2300 both
without the correct side art (like mine). I recall one with the correct side
art going for $3150 or so. Please feel free to correct those prices if you
have a better remembering history of the ebay prices.

I will only comment about one other point in your post, why does it matter
at all what I got it for? Do you mean to tell me if you got a dedicated
Major Havoc for $50, then you'd sell it for $100 because you got it so cheap
(and you'd still be doubling your money, so you'd be happy)? I think not.
What I paid for it "then" has absolutely no bearing on what it's worth
"now". Ask all the people that paid a mint for games before the stock
market crash, what they're able to get for them now.

I have no problem at all if you're not interested, I'm not twisting your
arm, as I said, I wasn't even actively trying to sell. I 100% defend your
right to offer to pay whatever you want, and I also 100% defend my right to
ask a particular price. If no deal is made, certainly no harm done to
anyone. Just interested to hear other offers you received to see how far
off I am.

Joe (joemagiera at ameritech dot net)
joema...@ameritech.net

"Frank Traut" <ftra...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:DLuCj.6$wW...@newsfe07.lga...

Wrong answer...

maybe a star castle or armor attack, parts for a WOTW are huge $$$

MH

If you can get 2500 for a tron then do it.. sell one for that and buy
the war of the worlds you want so bad. Anyone and their brother can
manufacture a minty tron these days with *all* of the art repro'd.
Considering only a very small handful of working WotW exist (I can
think of 2, maybe 3) at all the price comparison is completely silly.
You're trying to compare an extremely rare machine against an
extremely common one on the basis of physical condition. Apples to
oranges. If you have it in your head that the WotW is worth 500
bucks or less then I wouldnt expect to be acquiring one anytime
soon :) Sometimes rarity/collectibility means beans, but sometimes
it means a bundle.. You can't simply compare condition to value, you
have to factor in the rarity/desireability/collectibility. It's
almost comical that you claim tron to be worth 2500 but WotW to be
less than 500.. you must be selling the tron :)

As I'm realizing here. Just saying I personally, would never
pay that kind of money for this machine.

And yes Joe - if I get a game in for a ridiculous price,
I DO and have ALWAYS passed those savings on to others.
Your example was a little on the ridiculous side. I "pay"
myself a certain amount to restore these and that's it.
That's what I mean when I say I do not "gouge". This is
the difference between a capitalist opportunist and a
hobbyist. I guess I have never felt it necessary to mix
stock market formulaes or other unethical monetary
behaviour with classic arcade games or pinball. Guess
that's why I'm always broke huh? lol Just never wanted
to align myself with the multitude of the douches in
this hobby/business. God knows, there's already enough ;-)

I do not know what you paid - just know how these deals
*usually* happen. Guess I project my intrinsic values
unto others is all. I should stop doing that!! lol

-Frank

That's what I was talking about all along.

And no... even if I did accidentally get $2500 for
a Tron, I doubt I would turn around and snag that
WotW. It simply is not worth that much to me.

-Frank

tim (NH)

Okay - got it. Thanks! Guess I will not be getting a
WotW's for what I want to pay then. Not from anyone reading
this forum anyway. Guess I'll wait to find one on the cheap
out in the wild. And when I do, and I list it for sale here,
is everyone then going to tell me it's worth nothing? lol
Because that would be par for the course ;-)

Thanks anyway guys. Guess I need to remember the Newsgroup's
Golden Rules:

1) What you want to sell is junk and worth nothing.

2) What you want to buy is worth all the tea in China.

I'll get this right one of these days!

-Frank

There is almost always a "spread" between what people here will pay for
a game vs what they will sell it for. They may want $600 for their
Tempest, but they may only be willing to pay $400 to buy one. Nothing
wrong with that. In your case, you were clueless on the value of the
Wotw. When people pointed it out to you, you got too defensive.

Frank,

Your going way too far here. You can't take offense to all the things
your reading here because people are just trying to point out what you
want to obtain and what your willing to give for it is unreasonable in
itself. Only about 10 WOTW units came out the factory, and later it
was rumored that two more crept out in color. There were a handful of
conversion kits sold to operators and god only knows how many of them
even bothered to use it. To ice the cake it's a vector game, a
cinematronics game, and modeled after a sci-fi story. All three of
those things individually have a cult following, and when you put them
all together and weigh it against the supply of machines you get a big
fat price tag. There is a way around it if you could care less about
having an OEM machine and thats mame, vector mame, or hacking a star
castle cabinet as you can hack the sound board and burn the roms and
it will play with that CP. But good luck finding it 'on the cheap in
the wild' because I don't forsee the odds in your favor there.

But whatever you do, don't come here and treat people like dicks
because they won't hand something like that away for peanuts. Sure
people will come here and tell you your shit is junk and theirs is
gold, that happens here. But when it does happen you need to take down
some names because not everyone here does that and you shouldn't group
people together by an internet demographic like this newsgroup. All
you will do in the end is leave a bad taste in the mouths of the good
people around here. Joe Mageria is one of the good guys, but he's not
going to give away his WOTW regardless of what he paid for it. And
frankly I think you will have a hard time finding anyone who will
because if the good guys want what it's worth, the dicks will surely
want more and thats if any of them want to part with it. Joe was not
looking to sell that machine but offered it to someone who wanted it,
that alone is a nice gesture in itself.

- Matt

Nicely said

MH

So, does anyone have a reasonably price WotW in the CT area?