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Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

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D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 12:08:58 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Hmmmmmmmm...

Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...

Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.

Enjoy!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
----------------------------------------------------

""Roy Stockdill"" <roy.st...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:44E33982.21081.3BF6F3@localhost...

> Thought I would post the following, just to show that hypocrisy certainly
> does not reign here entirely. I am a current living person (though my
> wife says she sometimes has her doubts!).
>
> I was born on 4th July 1940 at 217 Horton Lane, Bradford, Yorkshire. In
> fact, though the address on my birth certificate looks like a private
> home, it was in fact St Luke's Hospital where probably half the
> population of the city of Bradford was born in those days. However, up
> to about 1927/8 it had formerly been the Bradford Union Workhouse and
> for donkeys years afterwards the local registrars apparently thought
> there was some kind of stigma attached to it, thus they only put the
> street address. You see, there was absurd over-sensitivity even in those
> days.
>
> My father was Leonard Stockdill, an engineer's clerk at the time who
> later became a publican. My mother was Molly Midgley and they weren't
> married when I came along because my dad was still legally married to,
> though separated from, his first wife.
>
> My birth wasn't actually registered until the following January 1941,
> which meant my parents technically committed a criminal offence, since
> births are supposed to be registered within 42 days. However, there was
> a war on and I expect they were too busy to think about it. They
> eventually married in the October of 1942 when my father's divorce had
> come through.
>
> So I was born illegitimate in a former workhouse, my parents committed
> an offence by registering my birth outside the permitted time and they
> weren't married until some two years and three months after I was born.
>
> Why should I worry about telling the world this? Oh - and, BTW, anyone
> thinking of ripping off my bank account now that they know my mother's
> maiden name would be wasting their time because I don't use it as the
> password.
>
> There - why some people feel that having such knowledge made public
> is an invasion of their privacy will remain a bit of a mystery to me, I'm
> afraid. But there are lots of sensitive little souls around, I suppose.


D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 12:32:46 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Hmmmmmmmm...

Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...

Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.

Perhaps that is why he is so interested in Genealogy -- particularly the
more mundane aspects thereof.

Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For Genealogy...

For Quite Obvious Reasons.

Julian Richards

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 1:25:17 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:32:46 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For Genealogy...

Oh, the irony!
--

Julian Richards

www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV"

THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 2:05:04 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Hmmmmmmmm...

Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...

Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.

Perhaps that is why he is so interested in Genealogy -- particularly the
more mundane aspects thereof.

Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For Genealogy...

For Quite Obvious Reasons.

Peter

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 2:11:38 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:04 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hmmmmmmmm...
>
>Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>
>Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>
>Perhaps that is why he is so interested in Genealogy -- particularly the
>more mundane aspects thereof.
>
>Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For Genealogy...
>
>For Quite Obvious Reasons.
>
>Enjoy!
>
>DSH
>
>Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
>Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

It really is SO ignorant to reply to your own posts - you really are
so stupid aren't you?

I expect your father must have been SO dissappointed

The son of Admiral Wellington T Hines (war hero and pioneer of carrier
based
operations in the US Navy) Baby David's career was all mapped out for
him:
Yale, Officer Training - he was being groomed for a top slot at the
Pentagon.


But as with many great men, the son rarely lives up to expectations.


He was relieved for 'cause' on two separate occasions while serving in
the
United States Navy, the first being while assigned to Naval Security
Group
Activity Misawa, Japan, the second while assigned to CINCPAC's Intel
Division on Oahu.


The latter incident got him reassigned to Pearl Harbor here he assumed
the duties as housing officer, quite a demotion for one whose career
had such glowing promise as a junior officer.


Never endearing, and forever the outcast, this "pompous nautical ass"
laboured hard and doggedly for his promotions up to the rank of
Commander, but he ran into the 'eye of the storm' when he tried to
pull one tantrum after another in disagreement with a very sage
Captain who would go on to become Commander, U.S.Naval Security Group
Command!


He was yanked from his operational duties on the first occasion, and
appointed XO simply for the convenience of being under close scrutiny
by the C.O, and in a position less harassing to the other 700+ members
of the command.


This was NOT a promotion.


He served only as XO while the paperwork for his transfer made it
through
the bureaucratic chain back in Washington. That didn't take all that
long,
and before anyone knew it, D. Spencer Hines and his marvellous wife
(how
she's put up with him for all these years must remain one of the
world's
greatest mysteries), had departed Northern Honshu for the Hawaiian
Islands.


It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
your jets by a four-star and you still stand your ground, most wise
men
know that their careers will, at that very moment, gain great
momentum and a natural phenomenon of tailspins that have continued to
this
day!


In summary, in the words of a fellow officer who served with him:


" D Spencer Hines is one of the most arrogant jackasses to ever breath
and
walk upon the face of earth. He hadn't a clue what leadership was all
about,
and in the face of intelligence evaluation, he would always ask for a
point
paper when one's analysis varied from his - and that was often the
case.


"A towering man, of bulk and arrogance, this red headed barbarian is
not worth the grey hairs many of your constituents seem to be letting
themselves in for.


"He is his father's son, but nothing like his father, but rather, more
a quasi-nautical south seas jester at this stage in life whose open
sores apparently continue to ooze and your group are the swabs being
used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
senior citizenship!"

--
Peter

D Spencer Hines est a deficio miles militis quod stultus

Vince

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 2:15:55 م16‏/8‏/2006
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> Hmmmmmmmm...
>
> Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>
> Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> DSH

Who can forget The Professionals in which Ralph Bellamy calls Lee Marvin

"you bastard"

And Marvin replies


“Yes sir…in my case, an accident of birth.
But you, you're a self-made man.”)

Both Leonardo Da Vinci and Alexander Hamilton were bastards

So were Bernardo O'Higgins and Desiderius Erasmus.

And Abe Lincoln's Mother

Vince

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 2:26:39 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Yes, Good Points.

Well, Stockdill admits he is a bastard.

How many other bastards do we have in these groups?

Step Forward And Tell Us All About It.

Particularly those in SGB and SGM.

It Will Be Good For Your Souls.

Bastards seem to have a particular affinity for Genealogy -- looking for
their ancestors in order to restore some Personal Sense of Legitimacy.

Homosexuals, including Lesbians of course, ALSO have a particular attraction
to Genealogy. Often they realize they will never have any DESCENDANTS -- so
they look BACK to ANCESTORS for personal validation and affirmation.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Exitus Acta Probat

"Vince" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
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Peter

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 2:34:32 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:26:39 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Yes, Good Points.
>
>Well, Stockdill admits he is a bastard.
>
>How many other bastards do we have in these groups?
>
>Step Forward And Tell Us All About It.
>
>Particularly those in SGB and SGM.
>
>It Will Be Good For Your Souls.
>
>Bastards seem to have a particular affinity for Genealogy -- looking for
>their ancestors in order to restore some Personal Sense of Legitimacy.
>
>Homosexuals, including Lesbians of course, ALSO have a particular attraction
>to Genealogy. Often they realize they will never have any DESCENDANTS -- so
>they look BACK to ANCESTORS for personal validation and affirmation.
>
>DSH


Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

dwilcox

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16‏/08‏/2006، 2:38:44 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Whereas some people don't need to tell us...

Grey Satterfield

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16‏/08‏/2006، 3:39:45 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/16/06 1:11 PM, in article 2rn6e21fi7edmsqm7...@4ax.com,

"Peter" <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:04 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
> <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmmmmmmmm...
>>
>> Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>>
>> Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>>
>> Perhaps that is why he is so interested in Genealogy -- particularly the
>> more mundane aspects thereof.
>>
>> Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For Genealogy...
>>
>> For Quite Obvious Reasons.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> DSH
>

Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
us more than we want to know about anybody else.

Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*

Grey Satterfield

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 3:55:06 م16‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C108DEB1.2F31F%gsatte...@cox.net...

> Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by

> "Peter" is so personal, so mean-spirited, and so out of line, it makes me


> sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before
> telling us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>
> Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>
> Grey Satterfield

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you kindly, Grey.

It's also a complete load of ash, trash, codswallop and lies.

"Peter" -- who is a notorious sock puppet -- just likes to retail said
lies -- he's not capable of doing any useful, substantive posting on his
own.

Please recall I only reported what Roy Stockdill reported about HIMSELF. I
don't post lies about people.

This is the sort of abuse I'm used to -- because I use my Real Name.

"Peter" is far too cowardly to use HIS Real Name.

New Subject:

What are your considered opinions about the Administrations of Dwight David
Eisenhower and John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

Successes & Failures -- Strengths & Weaknesses. Comparisons & Contrasts.
Ranking As Presidents?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor


Peter

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 3:57:14 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
<gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:


>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>
>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>
>Grey Satterfield


A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):

1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
NG's
2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.
3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.
4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
breath

La N

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16‏/08‏/2006، 3:59:11 م16‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C108DEB1.2F31F%gsatte...@cox.net...

I agree with you, Grey. OTOH I don't think "Peter's" comment will faze DSH
any more than would a mosquito bite. And, yes, it is in very bad form to
gossip on Usenet about people's offline activities, especially since I make
up my own mind about a person's character and don't depend on other's second
hand ca-ca throwing.

- nilita


Peter

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 4:16:39 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:55:06 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:C108DEB1.2F31F%gsatte...@cox.net...
>
>> Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>> "Peter" is so personal, so mean-spirited, and so out of line, it makes me
>> sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before
>> telling us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>>
>> Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>>
>> Grey Satterfield
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Thank you kindly, Grey
>

>It's also a complete load of ash, trash, codswallop and lies.

OK, areswipe, what, exactly, is" ash, trash, codswallop and lies"?
What is not factual about my post?


Are you not:


>The son of Admiral Wellington T Hines (war hero and pioneer of carrier
>based operations in the US Navy)

Is the following untrue? (I seem to remeber you claim membership of
some Yale drinking establishment


>Baby David's career was all mapped out for him:
>Yale, Officer Training - he was being groomed for a top slot at the
>Pentagon.

We can all see the following is probaly true - is it?


>But as with many great men, the son rarely lives up to expectations.

Do tell, is the following assertion incorrect?


>He was relieved for 'cause' on two separate occasions while serving in
>the United States Navy, the first being while assigned to Naval Security Group Activity Misawa, Japan, the second while assigned to CINCPAC's Intel Division on Oahu.

Houseboats I assume - or weren't you appointed housing officer in
Pearl Harbor?


>The latter incident got him reassigned to Pearl Harbor here he assumed
>the duties as housing officer, quite a demotion for one whose career
>had such glowing promise as a junior officer.

Someone obviously knows you and your history, or did they make up the
following?


>Never endearing, and forever the outcast, this "pompous nautical ass"
>laboured hard and doggedly for his promotions up to the rank of
>Commander, but he ran into the 'eye of the storm' when he tried to pull one tantrum after another in disagreement with a very sage Captain who would go on to become Commander, U.S.Naval Security Group
>Command!


Were you?


>He was yanked from his operational duties on the first occasion, and
>appointed XO simply for the convenience of being under close scrutiny
>by the C.O, and in a position less harassing to the other 700+ members
>of the command.

Never mind


>This was NOT a promotion.


He served only as XO while the paperwork for his transfer made it
through the bureaucratic chain back in Washington. That didn't take
all that long, and before anyone knew it, D. Spencer Hines and his
marvellous wife (how she's put up with him for all these years must
remain one of the world's greatest mysteries), had departed Northern
Honshu for the Hawaiian Islands.


It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
your jets by a four-star and you still stand your ground, most wise
men know that their careers will, at that very moment, gain great
momentum and a natural phenomenon of tailspins that have continued to
this day!

Perhaps you could tell us who you served with - I'm sure any officer
who described you as below could hardly fail to remember - we could
ask about, help you with some doubtless pinful memories - best get
them out of you tink mind etc.


>In summary, in the words of a fellow officer who served with him:

>" D Spencer Hines is one of the most arrogant jackasses to ever breath
>and walk upon the face of earth. He hadn't a clue what leadership was
>all about, and in the face of intelligence evaluation, he would always ask
>for a point paper when one's analysis varied from his - and that was often the case.

Now I'm quite prepared to accept you are bald, but did tyou have red
hair?


>"A towering man, of bulk and arrogance, this red headed barbarian is
>not worth the grey hairs many of your constituents seem to be letting
>themselves in for.


>"He is his father's son, but nothing like his father, but rather, more
>a quasi-nautical south seas jester at this stage in life whose open
>sores apparently continue to ooze and your group are the swabs being
>used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
>senior citizenship!"

--
Peter

D Spencer Hines est a deficio miles militis quod stultus
>

>"Peter" -- who is a notorious sock puppet -- just likes to retail said
>lies -- he's not capable of doing any useful, substantive posting on his
>own.

Aah, there speaks an expert

>This is the sort of abuse I'm used to -- because I use my Real Name.

Aah, but is it your real name?


>
>"Peter" is far too cowardly to use HIS Real Name.

So, if "Peter" isn't my real name, pray, do tell, what is my real
name? - I would be most interested to know, as it would contradict
what is shown on my birth certificate.


>
>What are your considered opinions about the Administrations of Dwight David
>Eisenhower and John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

They were all better men than you


>
>Successes & Failures -- Strengths & Weaknesses. Comparisons & Contrasts.
>Ranking As Presidents?
>
Successes & Failures -- Strengths & Weaknesses. Comparisons &

Contrasts. Ranking as a US navy housing officer?

Peter Skelton

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 4:26:44 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
<gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:

>On 8/16/06 1:11 PM, in article 2rn6e21fi7edmsqm7...@4ax.com,
>"Peter" <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:04 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"

<s>

>> used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
>> senior citizenship!"
>
>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>
>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>

It was more then we needed to hear wan't it? It wasn't new
information was it? It wasn't likely to improve anything, was it?
I guess that makes it a petty, mean deed. It's possible that, if
there were feweer PMDs in this world we'd have fewer WMDs as a
consequence.

Peter Skelton

Paul C

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 4:45:09 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:26:39 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Yes, Good Points.
>
>Well, Stockdill admits he is a bastard.
>
>How many other bastards do we have in these groups?

Who, apart from an uptight repressed bore like yourself, actually
cares?

Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 4:53:05 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/16/06 2:55 PM, in article fLKEg.190$M14....@eagle.america.net, "D.

Assholes are assholes. I am usually patient and cut most Usenet posters a
lot of slack but I draw the line at attacks that are so detailed and
personal, they are creepy. Yuck!

OK, rant mode exited.

I think that Eisenhower's administration was significantly superior to
JFK's. He got the Interstate Highway system started, a system for which I
give thanks every time I drive to see my daughter in Springfield, IL or my
son in Jackson, TN. Ike was also a brilliant administrator, which nobody
knew about for years after his presidency. He probably was the best
president of the postwar period, after Truman and Reagan.

Kennedy's idolaters have had a reverse impact on me; I can't see that the
man did much of historic significance, if anything, during his nearly three
years in office. His Pulitzer Prize for "Profiles in Courage," which was
ghostwritten by Ted Sorenson, doesn't improve his standing in my estimation
much either. As we have discussed, he screwed up the Bay of Pigs situation
royally and narrowly avoided disaster during the Cuban Missile Crises. That
said, he wasn't a terrible president as he did create an era of good feeling
domestically and presided over a much needed tax cut. I would give his
presidency about a C.

Grey Satterfield

Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 5:00:48 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/16/06 2:59 PM, in article jOKEg.11360$tP4.5415@clgrps12, "La N"
<nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> "Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:C108DEB1.2F31F%gsatte...@cox.net...
>> On 8/16/06 1:11 PM, in article 2rn6e21fi7edmsqm7...@4ax.com,
>> "Peter" <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:04 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
>>> <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hmmmmmmmm...
>>>>
>>>> Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>>>>
>>>> Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps that is why he is so interested in Genealogy -- particularly the
>>>> more mundane aspects thereof.
>>>>
>>>> Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For
>>>> Genealogy...
>>>>
>>>> For Quite Obvious Reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>
>>>> DSH

[long and disgusting anti-DSH screed snipped.]

>> Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>> "Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
>> sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before
>> telling
>> us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>>
>> Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>>
>
> I agree with you, Grey. OTOH I don't think "Peter's" comment will faze DSH
> any more than would a mosquito bite. And, yes, it is in very bad form to
> gossip on Usenet about people's offline activities, especially since I make
> up my own mind about a person's character and don't depend on other's second
> hand ca-ca throwing.
>
> - nilita

I am far from a DSH apologist, God knows! There have been times when he
might have said with reason that he was one of my favorite whipping boys.
Nevertheless, the nasty, anonymous Peter's post REALLY turned me off. There
should be limits -- even on Usenet -- and Peter far exceeded them.

Spencer's weakness can also be his strength and nobody ever questioned his
courage or ability to stick to his rhetorical guns. So I agree, Peter's
post will not modify Spencer's conduct -- good or bad -- one iota. And this
time that's all right

Grey Satterfield

Peter Skelton

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 5:10:26 م16‏/8‏/2006
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The significance of Kennedy's presidency was that he was the
first of his generation to rise to the post. He, like Reagan, was
a positive symbol. They were symbols for different things, and
quite dissimillar in other ways but it's an interesting point.

Peter Skelton

Grey Satterfield

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16‏/08‏/2006، 5:19:57 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/16/06 3:26 PM, in article rgv6e2lk0631a7f1c...@4ax.com,
"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Yep, it's pretty bad when it is so far out of line it causes me to rise to
DSH's defense (not that he really needs defending).

Grey Satterfield

Grey Satterfield

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16‏/08‏/2006، 5:27:16 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/16/06 4:10 PM, in article l727e25389kutshmv...@4ax.com,
"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

This is true. It's easy to forget at this late date that when Kennedy was
elected his Irish Catholicism was a very big deal; but he won anyway. Like
Reagan, JFK was an incredibly handsome, charming man who had a gorgeous
wife, to boot. That's what I meant about JFK having created an era of good
feeling. It really did make up for a lot of his failings in other areas.

Grey Satterfield

Peter

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 5:33:16 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:00:48 -0500, Grey Satterfield
<gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:


>I am far from a DSH apologist, God knows! There have been times when he
>might have said with reason that he was one of my favorite whipping boys.
>Nevertheless, the nasty, anonymous Peter's post REALLY turned me off. There
>should be limits -- even on Usenet -- and Peter far exceeded them.

I'm genuinely puzzled.

1. I'm not annonymous - Peter is my real name, my surname can
doubtelss be found by means of Google and my email address
2. What sort of limits would you like to see applied to Usenet posts?
Should they be be limits that met your particular sensibilities?
Should such limits change as you sensibilities change? Please do tell.


>
>Spencer's weakness can also be his strength and nobody ever questioned his
>courage or ability to stick to his rhetorical guns. So I agree, Peter's
>post will not modify Spencer's conduct -- good or bad -- one iota. And this
>time that's all right

Hines is so far gone that I don't expect anyone could change his
conduct - least od all me - but perhaps he will become the subject of
such ridicuile that he will stop polluting SGB (and many other NG's
apparently)
--
Cheers

Peter

Please remove the invalid to reply

D. Patterson

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 5:42:42 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Peter wrote:

So, you admit to deliberately ridiculing DSH personal reputation for the
purpose of intimidating and terrorizing DSH into forgoing his right to
exercise free speech.

Peter

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 5:56:10 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:42:42 -0700, "D. Patterson" <n...@fidalgo.net>
wrote:

>
>So, you admit to deliberately ridiculing DSH personal reputation for the
>purpose of intimidating and terrorizing DSH into forgoing his right to
>exercise free speech.

Hines is the author of his reputation - I make no claim whatsoever for
it - it's all his own work

Hines is welcome to excercise his right to free speech, no problem
with that at all.

Do I think he should post the drivel he does - perhaps not, but
certainly not to SGB - it's all off topic.

Basically, if he's upset about it he has some choices, stop posting or
modify his ubnacceptable behaviour.

I note that you, along with a number of others, feel that my posting
about Hines was wrong - fair enough, that is your opinion and you must
be free the express it. However, I note that you (and the others)
don't refute any of what was written - even Hines managed only to call
them lies. I've asked him to contradict what was written - he has
every right to. I somehow suspect though that we will never have a
rebuttal from him as I'm sure he knows that doubtless many ex naval
colleagues will enter the debate - how do you think that would go? I
think Hines knows.

Peter Skelton

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 6:10:59 م16‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:19:57 -0500, Grey Satterfield
<gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:

>On 8/16/06 3:26 PM, in article rgv6e2lk0631a7f1c...@4ax.com,
>"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
>> <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/16/06 1:11 PM, in article 2rn6e21fi7edmsqm7...@4ax.com,
>>> "Peter" <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:04 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
>> <s>
>>
>>>> used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
>>>> senior citizenship!"
>>>
>>> Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>>> "Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
>>> sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
>>> us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>>>
>>> Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>>>
>>
>> It was more then we needed to hear wan't it? It wasn't new
>> information was it? It wasn't likely to improve anything, was it?
>> I guess that makes it a petty, mean deed. It's possible that, if
>> there were feweer PMDs in this world we'd have fewer WMDs as a
>> consequence.
>
>Yep, it's pretty bad when it is so far out of line it causes me to rise to
>DSH's defense (not that he really needs defending).
>

Needs defending, or is worth defending? He isn't IMO. My
objections had nothing to do with protecting DSH.

Peter Skelton

D. Patterson

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 6:39:12 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Peter wrote:

Your actions speak louder than your words. You have admitted to using
personal attacks upon the personal reputation of the messenger to
suppress the message rather than attacking only the message and the
conduct. We do not need to refute your personal accusations regardless
of whether or not they have any merit. They are none of our business and
none of your business. If you make it your business, you will be
behaving like a poisonous old woman gossip spreading around falsehoods
along with whatever half truths there may or may not be. The next time
you think you know enough to use such gossip as a cudgel, you should
take notice of how it will impact your own reputation for honesty and
credibility. In one example, there is the case of a U.S. Naval
intelligence officer at Pearl Harbor who displeased his superior officer
and was banished from intelligence work to command a drydock in
California. His name was Joseph J. Rochefort, the U.S. naval
intelligence officer responsible for providing Nimitz with the
information needed to ambuh the Japanese fleet at the Battle of Midway.

Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 6:45:58 م16‏/8‏/2006
إلى
On 8/16/06 5:10 PM, in article ft57e2120jcqesjbj...@4ax.com,
"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Oh, I know that Peter was not trying to defend DSH. My point was that DSH
is going to do what DSH wants to do, no matter what anyone says about him,
in his defense or otherwise. This, of course is as much of an indictment as
it is a defense.

Grey Satterfield

Renia

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 6:46:29 م16‏/8‏/2006
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

> Hmmmmmmmm...
>
> Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...

Big deal. So was William the Conqueror, as you are forever reminding us.

Renia

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 6:48:12 م16‏/8‏/2006
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

> Homosexuals, including Lesbians of course, ALSO have a particular attraction
> to Genealogy. Often they realize they will never have any DESCENDANTS -- so
> they look BACK to ANCESTORS for personal validation and affirmation.
>
> DSH

I suppose you come under this category, eh?

Neale Sheldon

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 6:47:59 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Stockdill knows about his parentage
but does the retard yank Spencer D Whines actually know who his father is?
or is he sure that children bore by his wife are actually his ?

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:irHEg.173$M14....@eagle.america.net...


> Hmmmmmmmm...
>
> Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>

> Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>

> Enjoy!


>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>

Q

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 11:28:02 م16‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C108EFE1.2F33B%gsatte...@cox.net...

I found it creepy too. "Peter" comes across to me as a stalker. -- Q


D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 11:45:43 م16‏/8‏/2006
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I say again, "Peter" is merely another little sock puppet.

DSH

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:C108EFE1.2F33B%gsatte...@cox.net...

> I think that Eisenhower's administration was significantly superior to
> JFK's. He got the Interstate Highway system started, a system for which I
> give thanks every time I drive to see my daughter in Springfield, IL or my
> son in Jackson, TN. Ike was also a brilliant administrator, which nobody
> knew about for years after his presidency. He probably was the best
> president of the postwar period, after Truman and Reagan.

I think that's spot on.

Jackson, Tennessee is probably a very interesting town. I drove close to it
on my way to Shiloh a few years ago. Any particular notable Historical
Sites nearby?

Springfield, Illinois is, of course Abraham Lincoln's home town. Your kids
live in interesting places.

> Kennedy's idolaters have had a reverse impact on me; I can't see that the
> man did much of historic significance, if anything, during his nearly
> three
> years in office. His Pulitzer Prize for "Profiles in Courage," which was
> ghostwritten by Ted Sorenson, doesn't improve his standing in my
> estimation
> much either. As we have discussed, he screwed up the Bay of Pigs
> situation
> royally and narrowly avoided disaster during the Cuban Missile Crises.
> That
> said, he wasn't a terrible president as he did create an era of good
> feeling
> domestically and presided over a much needed tax cut. I would give his
> presidency about a C.
>
> Grey Satterfield

I think that's quite correct too.

Eisenhower has not had as many scribblers writing about him as has Kennedy.

But he was an excellent President, much underestimated at the time. I'd
rank him much closer to Truman and perhaps even above Truman. The survey I
posted had Truman as #7 and Eisenhower as #8.

Truman and ACHESON *together* made a Great Team, just as Nixon and Kissinger
did.

Fred Greenstein's _The Hidden-Hand Presidency: Eisenhower as Leader_ is one
of the best books about Ike as President.

"Some books, like some scientific theories, have the capacity to alter
people's whole way of looking at the world. Such a book is The Hidden-Hand
Presidency. To read it is to discover, among other things, that everything
you ever believed about Dwight Eisenhower as president of the United States
is wrong." -- Economist

"A fascinating exposition of Eisenhower's leadership techniques." --
Political Science Quarterly

"An important corrective to standard treatments of Ike as president." --
Journal of Politics

"A deliberately circumscribed book, but the sharp focus serves its
intellectual intensity." -- National Review

"By his painstaking analysis, Greenstein should convince even the most
unrelenting critic of Eisenhower's that the man had greater skills as Chief
Executive than have been recognized." -- New Republic

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801849012/sr=1-1/qid=1155785027/ref=sr_1_1/002-1090110-1204016?ie=UTF8&s=books>

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
16‏/08‏/2006، 11:58:07 م16‏/8‏/2006
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Homosexuals, including Lesbians of course, ALSO have a particular attraction
to Genealogy.

Often they realize they will never have any DESCENDANTS -- so
they look BACK to ANCESTORS for personal validation and affirmation.

However, only a VERY ignorant pogue or poguette would think that ALL folks
who are interested in Genealogy are Homosexuals, Lesbians or Bastards.

Yes, it would take a Truly Stupid Person to believe that.

But there seem to be quite a few of them here.

How Sweet It Is!

DSH

Fortem Posce Animum

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum


hippo

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 12:10:53 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" wrote in message

[.]

In defense of Peter, abusive military leaders are detested by their
subordinates, peers, and superiors alike. They are because they do a great
deal of harm within their commands and discredit to their service. I can't
say that is the case here, but it sounds like Peter believes it is. It would
not be unlike finding a schoolyard bully you knew when young pontificating
or moralizing in older age. -the Troll


La N

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 12:33:59 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12e7r2i...@corp.supernews.com...

Well, I have no doubt that Hines has "issues". But, I like your
explanation, Hippo-troll, that he has some kind of personality disorder.
I'm suspectin' that Hines is exactly the same IRL as he is on Usenet, that
he is not projecting some kind of fake net persona ..%)

- nilita


hippo

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 2:00:34 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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"La N" wrote in message

> "hippo" wrote in message

>> "Grey Satterfield" wrote in message
>>
>> [.]
>>
>> In defense of Peter, abusive military leaders are detested by their
>> subordinates, peers, and superiors alike. They are because they do a
>> great deal of harm within their commands and discredit to their service.
>> I can't say that is the case here, but it sounds like Peter believes it
>> is. It would not be unlike finding a schoolyard bully you knew when young
>> pontificating or moralizing in older age. -the Troll
>>
>>
>
> Well, I have no doubt that Hines has "issues". But, I like your
> explanation, Hippo-troll, that he has some kind of personality disorder.
> I'm suspectin' that Hines is exactly the same IRL as he is on Usenet, that
> he is not projecting some kind of fake net persona ..%)

You're right he can not change himself. He is confident he is right and
everyone else is wrong, fools, and or weak. For folks with no natural
empathy, personality and values are learned, but without the humanity to
temper what is learned, if that makes sense. Form without substance may be a
better way to put it. It isn't his fault or a disorder, but rather a
personality type, which in an extreme form, creates a very difficult person
to live and work with.

I know a man like him. He can't understand why he has a 200+% annual
turnover in personnel and puts it down to lazy and incompetent workers. It
doesn't occur to him that it's wrong to send a 65 year old female office
worker on a seven block walk each way in summer heat to get his shirts out
of the laundry. I'd have fired any manager of mine who pulled a stunt like
that and they knew it. -the Troll


D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 2:12:44 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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Hilarious!

Hines has never sent a 65-year-old female office worker on a seven-block
walk each way in summer heat to get his shirts out of the laundry -- or even
a 25-year-old female office worker.

"Hippo" has slipped his leash again and is just venting his spleen -- some
frustrations in his own life no doubt.

Sad...

Of course, "Hippo" hides behind a pseudonym -- in order to throw rocks
incognito.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
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Leticia Cluff

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 3:16:54 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:57:14 +0100, Peter
<usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
><gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>

>>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by

>>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me


>>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
>>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>>
>>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>>
>>Grey Satterfield
>
>

>A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
>you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
>means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):
>
>1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
>you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
>NG's
>2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.
>3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.
>4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
>breath


Perhaps it would be useful to remind people (including Grey) how this
started.

Roy Stockdill posted some information about the circumstances of his
birth on soc.genealogy.britain. It was certainly a relevant post in
that forum and he was making a point that was relevant to an ongoing
discussion there.

One statement in that post, "So I was born illegitimate," was taken by
D. Spencer Hines and changed into the message header "Stockdill Tells
Us He Is A Bastard."

Note the snide change from the adjective "illegitimate" to the
name-calling noun "a bastard," a word with far more negative
connotations than just "illegitimate."

Note also the fact that Hines posted his new message with the abusive
header to a large number of groups where it is of no relevance
whatsoever:

alt.books.tom-clancy (of all places), alt.history.british,
sci.military.naval, soc.history.medieval, soc.history.war.misc,
us.military.army

Note also the snide and abusive content of Hines's first messages
(which he silently snipped when he protested against Peter's post):

> Hmmmmmmmm...
>
> Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>
> Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>

and

> Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For
> Genealogy...
>
> For Quite Obvious Reasons.
>
> Enjoy!


Note how the homophobic Hines extended his attack to comprise both
"Bastards & Homosexuals."

Hines removed those self-incriminating lines and pleaded:

> Please recall I only reported what Roy Stockdill reported about HIMSELF.


But he wasn't innocently reporting, he was maliciously spreading
gossip across Usenet. He was taking a person's honest admission and
gloatingly turning it into an accusation.

He deserves no sympathy.

Tish

pigdos

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 4:30:03 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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You sure do have a queer affinity for homosexuals... Maybe you had better
get that proclivity looked at...professionally...

--
Doug
"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KNHEg.176$M14....@eagle.america.net...


> Hmmmmmmmm...
>
> Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>
> Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>

> Perhaps that is why he is so interested in Genealogy -- particularly the
> more mundane aspects thereof.
>

> Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For Genealogy...
>
> For Quite Obvious Reasons.
>
> Enjoy!
>

> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>

pigdos

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 4:31:46 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals? Tell
me that doesn't speak volumes...

--
Doug
"Peter" <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote in message
news:2rn6e21fi7edmsqm7...@4ax.com...


> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:04 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
> <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hmmmmmmmm...
>>
>>Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...
>>
>>Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.
>>
>>Perhaps that is why he is so interested in Genealogy -- particularly the
>>more mundane aspects thereof.
>>
>>Bastards & Homosexuals Seem To Have A Particular Affinity For Genealogy...
>>
>>For Quite Obvious Reasons.
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>
>>DSH
>>
>>Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>>
>>Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
>

> It really is SO ignorant to reply to your own posts - you really are
> so stupid aren't you?
>
> I expect your father must have been SO dissappointed
>
> The son of Admiral Wellington T Hines (war hero and pioneer of carrier
> based
> operations in the US Navy) Baby David's career was all mapped out for
> him:
> Yale, Officer Training - he was being groomed for a top slot at the
> Pentagon.
>
>
> But as with many great men, the son rarely lives up to expectations.
>
>
> He was relieved for 'cause' on two separate occasions while serving in
> the
> United States Navy, the first being while assigned to Naval Security
> Group
> Activity Misawa, Japan, the second while assigned to CINCPAC's Intel
> Division on Oahu.
>
>
> The latter incident got him reassigned to Pearl Harbor here he assumed
> the duties as housing officer, quite a demotion for one whose career
> had such glowing promise as a junior officer.
>
>
> Never endearing, and forever the outcast, this "pompous nautical ass"
> laboured hard and doggedly for his promotions up to the rank of
> Commander, but he ran into the 'eye of the storm' when he tried to
> pull one tantrum after another in disagreement with a very sage
> Captain who would go on to become Commander, U.S.Naval Security Group
> Command!
>
>
> He was yanked from his operational duties on the first occasion, and
> appointed XO simply for the convenience of being under close scrutiny
> by the C.O, and in a position less harassing to the other 700+ members
> of the command.
>
>
> This was NOT a promotion.
>
>
> He served only as XO while the paperwork for his transfer made it
> through
> the bureaucratic chain back in Washington. That didn't take all that
> long,
> and before anyone knew it, D. Spencer Hines and his marvellous wife
> (how
> she's put up with him for all these years must remain one of the
> world's
> greatest mysteries), had departed Northern Honshu for the Hawaiian
> Islands.
>
>
> It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool
> your jets by a four-star and you still stand your ground, most wise
> men
> know that their careers will, at that very moment, gain great
> momentum and a natural phenomenon of tailspins that have continued to
> this
> day!
>
>
> In summary, in the words of a fellow officer who served with him:
>
>
> " D Spencer Hines is one of the most arrogant jackasses to ever breath
> and
> walk upon the face of earth. He hadn't a clue what leadership was all
> about,
> and in the face of intelligence evaluation, he would always ask for a
> point
> paper when one's analysis varied from his - and that was often the
> case.
>
>
> "A towering man, of bulk and arrogance, this red headed barbarian is
> not worth the grey hairs many of your constituents seem to be letting
> themselves in for.
>
>
> "He is his father's son, but nothing like his father, but rather, more
> a quasi-nautical south seas jester at this stage in life whose open
> sores apparently continue to ooze and your group are the swabs being


> used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
> senior citizenship!"
>

> --
> Peter
>
> D Spencer Hines est a deficio miles militis quod stultus


hippo

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 8:46:40 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

[.]

> Hines has never sent a 65-year-old female office worker on a seven-block
> walk each way in summer heat to get his shirts out of the laundry -- or
> even
> a 25-year-old female office worker.

[.]

No, instead you indulge yourself in personal attacks on, and insults to,
everyone within range on Usenet and break its posting conventions. This guy
routinely, and publicly, insults his employees for minor infractions, when
the 'rule book' clearly says to praise in public and criticize in
private. -the Troll


Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 9:17:31 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/16/06 11:10 PM, in article 12e7r2i...@corp.supernews.com, "hippo"
<hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote:

If I didn't know better, I would suspect that hippo was making the moral
equivalency argument here. :)

Grey Satterfield

La N

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 9:22:21 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C109D69B.2F455%gsatte...@cox.net...

Hines gets sent to the Penalty Box! And Peter can return to play. He has
done his time.

- nilita


Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 9:31:50 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/17/06 2:16 AM, in article j348e290u8d1qjmis...@4ax.com,
"Leticia Cluff" <tish.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:57:14 +0100, Peter
> <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
>> <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>>> "Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
>>> sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
>>> us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>>>
>>> Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>

> Perhaps it would be useful to remind people (including Grey) how this
> started.
>
> Roy Stockdill posted some information about the circumstances of his
> birth on soc.genealogy.britain. It was certainly a relevant post in
> that forum and he was making a point that was relevant to an ongoing
> discussion there.
>
> One statement in that post, "So I was born illegitimate," was taken by
> D. Spencer Hines and changed into the message header "Stockdill Tells
> Us He Is A Bastard."
>
> Note the snide change from the adjective "illegitimate" to the
> name-calling noun "a bastard," a word with far more negative
> connotations than just "illegitimate."
>
> Note also the fact that Hines posted his new message with the abusive
> header to a large number of groups where it is of no relevance
> whatsoever:
>
> alt.books.tom-clancy (of all places), alt.history.british,
> sci.military.naval, soc.history.medieval, soc.history.war.misc,
> us.military.army
>
> Note also the snide and abusive content of Hines's first messages
> (which he silently snipped when he protested against Peter's post):

My thanks to Leticia for explaining how all of this started. It was pretty
bad but comes as no surprise because in the years that I have been observing
Spencer being Spencer there isn't a whole lot, if anything, he could do that
would surprise me.

Despite Spencer's frequent excesses, Peter's detailed and shockingly
personal recounting of Spencer's career as a naval officer turned me off --
profoundly. If there is anybody who might deserve such treatment it would
be D. Spencer Hines, but not even Spencer deserves that, it seems to me.

As the Senate Counsel, Joseph Welch famously said to Senator Joe McCarthy in
the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings, "Have you no sense of decency, sir at long
last? Have you no sense of decency?" I would also ask if Peter has any
sense of decency.

Grey Satterfield

La N

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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On 8/17/06 2:16 AM, in article j348e290u8d1qjmis...@4ax.com,
> > Despite Spencer's frequent excesses, Peter's detailed and shockingly
> personal recounting of Spencer's career as a naval officer turned me
> off --
> profoundly. If there is anybody who might deserve such treatment it would
> be D. Spencer Hines, but not even Spencer deserves that, it seems to me.
>

You know? I've seen that story - and variations thereof - posted by
different people at different times. It's to the point that each new time
it comes down the pike, I say to myself ... "oops; Hines offended somebody
big time AGAIN, and here comes his biography!"

- nilita


jackli...@earthlink.net

غير مقروءة،
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I hope one of the addresses find you. Atlantis has been cleared for a
4:30 PM launch on August 27th, pending an inspection on some short
bolts holding an antenna and a heater on a hydralic unit.

For you and your fisherman a look at the lures de jour in Florida:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/custom/adventure/orl-adventure1706aug17,0,3786494.story?coll=orl-rush-headlines

Doug McDonald

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 9:57:50 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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hippo wrote:
> .

>> I'm suspectin' that Hines is exactly the same IRL as he is on Usenet, that
>> he is not projecting some kind of fake net persona ..%)
>
> You're right he

[Hines]

> can not change himself. He is confident he is right and
> everyone else is wrong, fools, and or weak.

And he is generally right.

He would do well as a TV competitor of O'Reilly, who also
is generally (but not as universally as Hines) right.

Doug McDonald

La N

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<jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Big Daddy told me that there were some repairs needed that might delay the
launch. btw, he will be there on that date no doubt emailing me real time
up close and personal photos. Much to his consternation, I'm not keen on
making a quick trip down there for the event (which occurs around my
birthday) when I've got lots to do up in Canuckistan. 'sides which until
the current airline kerfuffle settles down, I prefer to be earthbound!

OMG, that's funny! Batman action figures .. :) The fish would have to
fight me for the gummy bears, though! Big Daddy's fishing gear is always
packed in his trunk in case he ever wants to drop a line! Last time he went
fishing, a shark popped up out of the water and stole his catch! And his
little dog almost got eaten by an alligator ... heheheh ...

Jack, I'm gonna try emailing you from my sooper seekrit home addy .... stand
by ...

- nilita


jackli...@earthlink.net

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 10:48:17 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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La N wrote:

> Big Daddy told me that there were some repairs needed that might delay the
> launch. btw, he will be there on that date no doubt emailing me real time
> up close and personal photos. Much to his consternation, I'm not keen on
> making a quick trip down there for the event (which occurs around my
> birthday) when I've got lots to do up in Canuckistan. 'sides which until
> the current airline kerfuffle settles down, I prefer to be earthbound!
>
> >
> > For you and your fisherman a look at the lures de jour in Florida:
> >
> > http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/custom/adventure/orl-adventure1706aug17,0,3786494.story?coll=orl-rush-headlines
> >
>
> OMG, that's funny! Batman action figures .. :) The fish would have to
> fight me for the gummy bears, though! Big Daddy's fishing gear is always
> packed in his trunk in case he ever wants to drop a line! Last time he went
> fishing, a shark popped up out of the water and stole his catch! And his
> little dog almost got eaten by an alligator ... heheheh ...
>
> Jack, I'm gonna try emailing you from my sooper seekrit home addy .... stand
> by ...
>

We may share a birthday, mines the 29th, daughter's the 26th. I was out
on my pier the other day dipping water for the Marine Resources Council
continuing study of the Indian-Banana Rivers when one of the fisherman
there actually caught something big enough to see without a magnifying
glass. He caught two ray-like fish about 12-15 inches across on the
same cast. If they were Southern Stingrays they are supposed to
indicate game fish like Permit and Bonefish, I doubt it in this
context.

Please put something on the subject line of your e-mail that will let
me know it is from you. I have a triage security system since I lost at
least one load of data to spyware.

La N

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<jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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My birthday's the 30th! Way cool. We could'a partied together!

>
> Please put something on the subject line of your e-mail that will let
> me know it is from you. I have a triage security system since I lost at
> least one load of data to spyware.
>

I just did apply to get past your security system. I hope you get it. If
not, you can try emailing me at the above addy deleting NOSPAM ... IOW ...
nilit...@yahoo.com


Julian Richards

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 10:57:15 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:38:21 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There is also DSH's home address that gets posted on occasion,
presumably to help the North Koreans with their missile targeting.
--

Julian Richards

www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV"

THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 11:08:28 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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Thank you kindly, Doug.

Being Right far too often does tend to infuriate some people.

But it's perennially amusing to see how they run in circles and bite their
tails when flummoxed.

You have my respect as the Real Chemist here and the model Harvard Graduate
of skill, intelligence, savoir-faire and a tactile, discriminating sense of
Judgment and Good Taste.

You are also the Model Texan -- a Man of Integrity, True Grit and Fortitude,
but certainly no blowhard.

Most folks don't know all that, because you are modest and don't post as
often as do many who are your inferiors.

For the record, "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a sock puppet.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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La N

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17‏/08‏/2006، 11:14:01 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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Suuuure .....

There are some people who say Ann Coulter is always right, and others who
say that Michael Moore right.

Sez more about the "complimenters" than the objects of their adoration.

- nilita


Welsh Rarebit

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 11:21:31 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you kindly, Doug.
>
> Being Right far too often does tend to infuriate some people.


Hilarious!

Hines can't even get his word order correct.

He meant to write
Being Far Right too often does tend to infuriate some people.

a.spencer3

غير مقروءة،
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"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KE%Eg.215$M14....@eagle.america.net...
> Thank you kindly, Doug.
>
> Being Right far too often does tend to infuriate some people.
>
> But it's perennially amusing to see how they run in circles and bite their
> tails when flummoxed.
>
> You have my respect as the Real Chemist here and the model Harvard
Graduate
> of skill, intelligence, savoir-faire and a tactile, discriminating sense
of
> Judgment and Good Taste.
>
> You are also the Model Texan -- a Man of Integrity, True Grit and
Fortitude,
> but certainly no blowhard.
>
> Most folks don't know all that, because you are modest and don't post as
> often as do many who are your inferiors.
>

Oh Gawd ... I hope Doug is being as sick as the rest of us ..........

Twit.

Surreyman


Vince

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 11:26:39 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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tsk

you meant to write

"Being too far Right often does tend to infuriate some people.

Vince

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 11:45:39 ص17‏/8‏/2006
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Nonsense.

I said nothing of the sort.

Take Reading Comprehension 101 again.

Note OFTEN -- NOT always, in what I wrote below -- and don't try to put your
words in my mouth or anyone else's.

You are quite capable of choking on them yourself.

John 5:14

DSH

Deus Vult

<nibb...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1155799566.7...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

> Renia wrote:

>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>
>> > Homosexuals, including Lesbians of course, ALSO have a particular
>> > attraction to Genealogy. Often they realize they will never have any
>> > DESCENDANTS -- so they look BACK to ANCESTORS for
>>> personal validation and affirmation.
>> >

>> > DSH
>
> Unfortunately, for DSH, this assertion that homosexuals and lesbians
> are incapable of having children is not only factually incorrect, but
> is an ignorant but widely held misconception (to pardon the pun).


hippo

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 5:47:18 م17‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" wrote in message

> in article "hippo" wrote:

[.]

>> In defense of Peter, abusive military leaders are detested by their
>> subordinates, peers, and superiors alike. They are because they do a
>> great
>> deal of harm within their commands and discredit to their service. I
>> can't
>> say that is the case here, but it sounds like Peter believes it is. It
>> would
>> not be unlike finding a schoolyard bully you knew when young
>> pontificating
>> or moralizing in older age. -the Troll
>
> If I didn't know better, I would suspect that hippo was making the moral
> equivalency argument here. :)

You need to put yourself in the place of old Peter, given the temptation.
:^) -the Troll


hippo

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 5:48:48 م17‏/8‏/2006
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"La N" wrote in message

> Hines gets sent to the Penalty Box! And Peter can return to play. He has
> done his time.

I like this referee arrangement. :^) -the Troll


D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
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"Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.

"Hippo" has been fooled, euchred and flummoxed.

Great Entertainment!

DSH

"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message

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hippo

غير مقروءة،
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.

He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll


La N

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 10:26:56 م17‏/8‏/2006
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"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12e9vf5...@corp.supernews.com...

>
> "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
>
>> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.
>
> He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll
>
Heheheh ... and he sure keeps Hines' tootsies warm ...%)

- nilita


D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
17‏/08‏/2006، 10:54:14 م17‏/8‏/2006
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"Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.

"Hippo" has been fooled, euchred and flummoxed -- and doesn't even realize
it.

Great Entertainment!

DSH

"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message

Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 8:56:13 ص18‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/17/06 9:54 PM, in article DZ9Fg.245$M14....@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
> news:12e9ovb...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> You need to put yourself in the place of old Peter, given the temptation.
>> :^) -the Troll
>
> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.
>
> "Hippo" has been fooled, euchred and flummoxed -- and doesn't even realize
> it.
>
> Great Entertainment!
>
> DSH

Even hippo, whose judgment is usually quite good, isn't right all the time.
:)

Grey Satterfield

La N

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 9:01:40 ص18‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
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That's true. But Hippo gains extra points for his thoughts in this thread
...%)

- nilita


hippo

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 9:44:33 ص18‏/8‏/2006
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"La N" wrote in message

> "hippo" wrote in message

>> "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
>>
>>> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.
>>
>> He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll
>>
> Heheheh ... and he sure keeps Hines' tootsies warm ...%)

You're not supposed to enjoy it. Shame on you. You're the ref. -the Troll


Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 10:59:32 ص18‏/8‏/2006
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Peter <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
:<gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:
:
:
:>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
:>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
:>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
:>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
:>
:>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*

:>
:>Grey Satterfield
:
:
:A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
:you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
:means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):

Grey's been around longer than you have, Petey.

:1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
:you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
:NG's

You say that as if it means something. The fact that you weren't the
first (and no doubt aren't the last) to echo it is irrelevant.

:2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.

You say that as if it means something. Failure to contradict idiocy
is hardly concurrence with same.

:3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.

People named Petey should piss into the wind.

:4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
:breath

Too bad about that. The world would be a better place if you did.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 11:05:25 ص18‏/8‏/2006
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Peter <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:Basically, if he's upset about it he has some choices, stop posting or
:modify his ubnacceptable behaviour.

That won't happen, you dumbass. All you do is add to the noise. Do
what most sane people have done and killfile the twit.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Eve McLaughlin

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 12:04:01 م18‏/8‏/2006
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>>
>> It really is SO ignorant to reply to your own posts - you really are
>> so stupid aren't you?
>>
>> I expect your father must have been SO dissappointed
>>
>> The son of Admiral Wellington T Hines (war hero and pioneer of carrier based
>> operations in the US Navy) Baby David's career was all mapped out for him:
>> Yale, Officer Training - he was being groomed for a top slot at the Pentagon.
>>
>> But as with many great men, the son rarely lives up to expectations.
>>
>> He was relieved for 'cause' on two separate occasions while serving in the
>> United States Navy, the first being while assigned to Naval Security Group
>> Activity Misawa, Japan, the second while assigned to CINCPAC's Intel Division
>> on Oahu.
>>
>> The latter incident got him reassigned to Pearl Harbor here he assumed
>> the duties as housing officer, quite a demotion for one whose career
>> had such glowing promise as a junior officer.
>>
>> Never endearing, and forever the outcast, this "pompous nautical ass"
>> laboured hard and doggedly for his promotions up to the rank of
>> Commander, but he ran into the 'eye of the storm' when he tried to
>> pull one tantrum after another in disagreement with a very sage
>> Captain who would go on to become Commander, U.S.Naval Security Group
>> Command!
>>
>> He was yanked from his operational duties on the first occasion, and
>> appointed XO simply for the convenience of being under close scrutiny
>> by the C.O, and in a position less harassing to the other 700+ members
>> of the command.
>>
>> This was NOT a promotion.
>>
>> He served only as XO while the paperwork for his transfer made it through the
>> bureaucratic chain back in Washington. That didn't take all that long, and
>> before anyone knew it, D. Spencer Hines and his marvellous wife (how she's put
>> up with him for all these years must remain one of the world's greatest
>> mysteries), had departed Northern Honshu for the Hawaiian Islands.
>>
>> It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool your jets
>> by a four-star and you still stand your ground, most wise men know that their
>> careers will, at that very moment, gain great momentum and a natural
>> phenomenon of tailspins that have continued to this day!
>>
>> In summary, in the words of a fellow officer who served with him:
>>
>> " D Spencer Hines is one of the most arrogant jackasses to ever breath and
>> walk upon the face of earth. He hadn't a clue what leadership was all about,
>> and in the face of intelligence evaluation, he would always ask for a point
>> paper when one's analysis varied from his - and that was often the case.
>>
>> "A towering man, of bulk and arrogance, this red headed barbarian is
>> not worth the grey hairs many of your constituents seem to be letting
>> themselves in for.
>>
>> "He is his father's son, but nothing like his father, but rather, more
>> a quasi-nautical south seas jester at this stage in life whose open
>> sores apparently continue to ooze and your group are the swabs being
>> used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
>> senior citizenship!"
I chose not to snip the above.

>
>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line

As is every post by the failure Hines himself. If he wishes to avoid the
simple truth's being posted, then he can either stop slagging off other
people or, preferably, just stop posting at all.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 1:34:08 م18‏/8‏/2006
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"Homosexuals, including Lesbians of course, ALSO have a particular
attraction to Genealogy. Often they realize they will never have any
DESCENDANTS -- so they look BACK to ANCESTORS for personal validation and
affirmation." -- DSH
-----------------------------------

Yes, that's just as true today as when I first wrote it.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor


D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 1:38:17 م18‏/8‏/2006
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There she goes again!

McLaughlin does so LOVE to slip her cheap, commercial messages into every
post she makes.

McLaughlin ought to always come to the back door -- the tradesmen's
entrance -- whenever she appears for business.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Eve McLaughlin" <e...@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Peter

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 2:16:40 م18‏/8‏/2006
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:59:32 GMT, Fred J. McCall
<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Peter <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
>
>:On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
>:<gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:
>:
>:
>:>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
>:>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
>:>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
>:>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
>:>
>:>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
>:>
>:>Grey Satterfield
>:
>:
>:A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
>:you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
>:means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):
>
>Grey's been around longer than you have, Petey.

And the significance of Grey longevioty is what exactly?


>
>:1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
>:you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
>:NG's
>
>You say that as if it means something. The fact that you weren't the
>first (and no doubt aren't the last) to echo it is irrelevant.

It means a lot - it means that a large (and doubtless increasing)
number of people know that Hines is a complete fuckwit, who is
incapable of any sort of meaningful interaction, probably has a severe
personality disorder, feels the need to cross post unecessarily, and
posts messages that are completely off topuic - indeed I am of the
opinion that Hines should have his own NG that he could post to ad
naseum and thereby safe everyone else from having to suffer his inane
ranting (and his pigeon latin)


>
>:2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.
>
>You say that as if it means something. Failure to contradict idiocy
>is hardly concurrence with same.

So I have to assume that what I posted was true, as Hines felt unable
to contradict any of it - he really was such a prick when in the
service of the US military? Oh dear


>
>:3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.
>
>People named Petey should piss into the wind.

I can only assume you speak from experience, and doubtless can be
found wandering around your home town, smelling of piss and trying to
search out Hines - who, umbelievably, seems to be more intelligent
than you.


>
>:4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
>:breath
>
>Too bad about that. The world would be a better place if you did.

Hines hasn't rebutted them, you aren't capable of rebutting anything -
so best you run off back to your kennel - the poodle master will be
looking for you.


--
Peter

D Spencer Hines est a deficio miles militis quod stultus

Leticia Cluff

غير مقروءة،
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You can expect to be corrected by Mr Hines here. The word you want is
pidgin, not pigeon.

It is true, however, that he tends to coo over his rudimentary Latin.
It's funniest when he tries to correct others, as here:

http://minilien.com/?GSB33qAat3
ou
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.history.medieval/msg/78da30083258eeb4?hl=el

Notice the concoction "prima nocta" instead of the correct nominative
"prima nox."

It doesn't get any better than this, Verbenia

Tish

D. Spencer Hines

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 4:52:46 م18‏/8‏/2006
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Hilarious!

"Leticia Cluff" [an appropriate name] is so sow-ignorant and stupid she does
not even know the expression and alleged custom of PRIMA NOCTA.

Yet she tries to correct her betters on USENET.

How Sweet It Is!

Vanessa, it just doesn't get any better than this.

Enjoy!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Prima+Nocta

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Leticia Cluff" <tish.nos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<baldersnip>


Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 5:24:46 م18‏/8‏/2006
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"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote:

:Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals? Tell
:me that doesn't speak volumes...

Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.

Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

--
"Just consider me your friend. I am until the end.
Can I guarantee you life? I don't think I can.
This isn't the life for me. This isn't the way I want to be.
And let me tell you, Death will come when I'm good and ready."
-- Godsmack, "I Am"

Leticia Cluff

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 5:38:35 م18‏/8‏/2006
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:52:46 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hilarious!
>
>"Leticia Cluff" [an appropriate name] is so sow-ignorant and stupid she does
>not even know the expression and alleged custom of PRIMA NOCTA.
>
>Yet she tries to correct her betters on USENET.
>
>How Sweet It Is!
>
>Vanessa, it just doesn't get any better than this.
>
>Enjoy!
>
>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Prima+Nocta


So the "Urban Dictionary" is your authority for that? Hilarious! A
dictionary where the incorrect form "prima nocta" rubs shoulders with
words like "prikette" and "prillaman"?

Go on using the modern illiterate form "prima nocta" if you want, but
it won't change the fact that the nominative of the Latin word for
"night" is "nox."

You are only exposing your ignorance.

Tish

Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 5:43:21 م18‏/8‏/2006
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"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"La N" wrote in message

And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
as impartial as they're supposed to be.

--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

Vince

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18‏/08‏/2006، 5:56:17 م18‏/8‏/2006
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote:
>
> :
> :"La N" wrote in message
> :
> :> "hippo" wrote in message
> :
> :>> "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
> :>>
> :>>> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.
> :>>
> :>> He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll
> :>>
> :> Heheheh ... and he sure keeps Hines' tootsies warm ...%)
> :
> :You're not supposed to enjoy it. Shame on you. You're the ref. -the Troll
>
> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
>

hopefully on topic

Admiral Dan Gallery of U-505 fame recalled the enlisted softball umpires
relishing their role. When protesting a cal he was told respectfully once

Captain SIR
If you repeat your comment SIR
I will throw you out of the game SIR

And he was

Vince

La N

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18‏/08‏/2006، 6:00:00 م18‏/8‏/2006
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"Vince" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
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Of course, I'm not impartial. I *always* give Hippo bonus points. And he's
a Republican Bush-admirer for gawdsakes! ...%)

- nilita


Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 6:01:32 م18‏/8‏/2006
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Peter <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:59:32 GMT, Fred J. McCall


:<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:>Peter <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
:>
:>:On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
:>:<gsatte...@cox.net> wrote:
:>:
:>:
:>:>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
:>:>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
:>:>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
:>:>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
:>:>
:>:>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
:>:>
:>:>Grey Satterfield
:>:
:>:
:>:A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
:>:you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
:>:means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):
:>
:>Grey's been around longer than you have, Petey.
:
:And the significance of Grey longevioty is what exactly?

That he knows more about Usenet usage than you apparently do. Can't
follow a train of thought, Petey?

:>:1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable


:>:you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
:>:NG's
:>
:>You say that as if it means something. The fact that you weren't the
:>first (and no doubt aren't the last) to echo it is irrelevant.
:
:It means a lot - it means that a large (and doubtless increasing)
:number of people know that Hines is a complete fuckwit,

Which has nothing to do with anything and has nothing to do with what
you posted.

:>:2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.


:>
:>You say that as if it means something. Failure to contradict idiocy
:>is hardly concurrence with same.
:
:So I have to assume that what I posted was true, as Hines felt unable
:to contradict any of it - he really was such a prick when in the
:service of the US military? Oh dear

And so you show yourself to be an idiot. One more time - failure to
contradict idiocy is hardly concurrence with same. Neither does it
constitute "unable to contradict". Most times it constitutes
something being said that is just too stupid to bother with.

:>:3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.


:>
:>People named Petey should piss into the wind.
:
:I can only assume you speak from experience, and doubtless can be
:found wandering around your home town, smelling of piss and trying to
:search out Hines - who, umbelievably, seems to be more intelligent
:than you.

Nope. My name isn't Petey and The Hindest has been in my killfile for
years. I'll leave reading his spew to idiots like you.

:>:4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
:>:breath
:>
:>Too bad about that. The world would be a better place if you did.
:
:Hines hasn't rebutted them, you aren't capable of rebutting anything -
:so best you run off back to your kennel - the poodle master will be
:looking for you.

Congratulations on showing just how egregiously stupid you are,
thinking that because I find you an offensive little twat that this
must mean I favor The Hindest.

Rebut this:

Do you speak any language that non-gibbering idiots can understand?
Just as the strength of a solitary brick will not save a poorly built
structure, your bold typeface does not redeem your craven incoherent
words.

I don't think you are a fool after reading your post, but what's my
opinion compared to that of thousands of others? You could type every
thing you know on the subject on back of a microscopic postage stamp
and still have room leftover for a shopping list. Well, you're
certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too.
To quote Thomas Brackett Reed: "They never open their mouths without
subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."

You are about as entertaining as a child's inflatable punching toy.
You bop it, it springs back, you bop it again and you forget it ever
existed. It slowly deflates in an unused corner, then one day you
throw it away. You have the warm personal charm of a millipede and
about as much class as a bucket of mucous lodged on top of a dumpster
in a Blue Light district of New Jersey. Maybe you wouldn't read like
such a pathetic loser if you weren't an 'idiot savant' without the
'savant' part; if your weren't so fat that when you stand on the
weighing scale, it reads: "Sorry, we don't weigh livestock.", or if
you didn't have a face so ugly that Peeping Toms break into your house
and close the blinds. Who am I kidding? You would.

In conclusion, sit down and shut up before trip over your own tongue
and hurt yourself.

--
"I could dance with you until the cows come home. On second
thought I'd rather dance with the cows until you come home."
-- Groucho Marx

Farm1

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 7:19:51 م18‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
> On 8/17/06 2:16 AM, in article
> "Leticia Cluff" <tish.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Roy Stockdill posted some information about the circumstances of
his
> > birth on soc.genealogy.britain. (snip)

> > Note also the snide and abusive content of Hines's first messages
> > (which he silently snipped when he protested against Peter's
post):

> Despite Spencer's frequent excesses, Peter's detailed and shockingly
> personal recounting of Spencer's career as a naval officer turned me
off --
> profoundly. If there is anybody who might deserve such treatment it
would
> be D. Spencer Hines, but not even Spencer deserves that, it seems to
me.

But what about Roy Stockdill? Did he deserve the disgusting treatment
by Hines?

Hines had pushed the envelope too many times and in too many fora for
him to deserve any sympathy or consideration. He's a troll and a
disgustingly boring and offensive one.

> As the Senate Counsel, Joseph Welch famously said to Senator Joe
McCarthy in
> the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings, "Have you no sense of decency, sir
at long
> last? Have you no sense of decency?" I would also ask if Peter has
any
> sense of decency.

You are asking the question about the wrong person. Where was Hines
sense of decency when he posted such a foul diatribe against Roy
Stockdill?

Roy is a man held in high regard in any group in which he chooses to
post. Hine is held in contempt in any group to which he posts. It
seems the only person to even consider that Hines may be human is you.


Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 8:10:01 م18‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/18/06 3:30 PM, in article eg7ce29v05gphc1lr...@4ax.com,
"Leticia Cluff" <tish.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I have *PLONK!*ed Peter, I must pass along my compliments to Tish,
who, in stark contrast to Peter, has gracefully, succinctly, and most of al
fairly skewered Mr. Hines.

It really does not get any better than this, Hortense! :)

Grey Satterfield

Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 8:12:12 م18‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/18/06 4:24 PM, in article 0vbce2pdklqr4s2mq...@4ax.com,

"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> :Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals? Tell
> :me that doesn't speak volumes...
>
> Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.
>
> Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
> of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

It's hard to imagine that there are those who could make Spencer look good
by comparison but there it is. On the other hand, some of the anti-Hines
japes and jibes in this thread have been quite good.

Grey Satterfield

La N

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18‏/08‏/2006، 8:24:56 م18‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10BC18C.2F741%gsatte...@cox.net...

I think it is pretty fair to say that Hines doesn't seem to have a fan club.
Oh - there was one guy who did a drive-by posting saying that Hines is
always right. He disappeared quickly. Could be a Hines sock. Even
Hippo-troll has decided he's had enough and has relinquished his membership!

- nilita


Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 9:09:10 م18‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/18/06 7:24 PM, in article sTsFg.9455$Ch.3224@clgrps13, "La N"
<nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Most of what I have said about Spencer's conduct has been critical., and
fairly so I think, but I believe to a moral certainty that he is WAY too
arrogant to ever post under a false ID. The DSH you see is the DSH you get
-- however bad that may be.

Grey Satterfield

La N

غير مقروءة،
18‏/08‏/2006، 9:22:57 م18‏/8‏/2006
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"Grey Satterfield" <gsatte...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10BCEE6.2F780%gsatte...@cox.net...

I agree, Grey. I was being facetious knowing how much Hines blows his stack
over all the "socks" he claims to cross his path ...%)

- nilita


pigdos

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 12:46:13 ص19‏/8‏/2006
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I wasn't insulting anyone in the Navy or any Navy in particular...only
Hines... I'm sorry if you took it to meant I was insulting any Naval forces
anywhere, but Spencer Hines hardly represents any Navy anywhere...

--
Doug
"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 2:28:16 ص19‏/8‏/2006
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"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote:

:You are asking the question about the wrong person. Where was Hines


:sense of decency when he posted such a foul diatribe against Roy
:Stockdill?
:
:Roy is a man held in high regard in any group in which he chooses to
:post. Hine is held in contempt in any group to which he posts. It
:seems the only person to even consider that Hines may be human is you.

So your answer is to behave like The Hindest?

I guess he's won, then.

--
You are
What you do
When it counts.

Leticia Cluff

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 5:08:06 ص19‏/8‏/2006
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Thank you. It was not difficult. Hines has confirmed that any idiot
can find anything he wants by googling. The trick is to show critical
judgment by discerning what is correct among the vast amounts of
misinformation on the Internet.

You get 2,170 hits for "prima nocta” as opposed to only 196 for "prima
nox.” It is not wise to conclude from this that "prima nocta” is
correct. If you look at the examples of "prima nocta” you will see
that many are written by illiterate teenagers discussing "Braveheart,”
while others refer to the title of a song by an electronic rock group.
It is also the name of a theater company, "developed to offer an
intimate fun environment to enjoy erotic Performance art, live music,
and sensual cuisine in the company of other sexy people."

The examples of "prima nox,” in contrast, occur in scholarly contexts,
used by people who actually know Latin.

I suspect that Mr. Hines has seen "Braveheart” more often than he has
opened a Latin dictionary. The Urban Dictionary of English slang to
which he referred us does not count as a Latin dictionary. It claims
to be “a slang dictionary with your definitions,” a Wikipedia-style
site used mainly by rappers. The mp3 of that song by Nocta Peppa does
not prove me wrong either. And the erotic theater company from
Australia does not strike me as the best source of information about
Latin morphology, however interesting their sensuous lounge parties
might be: http://www.primanocta.com.au/concept.htm.

How can a man who professes to be my better in Latin believe such
dubious authorities, or indeed believe in the existence of a Latin
word “nocta” at all? He wrote, quite correctly,

> "Primae noctis" is in the genitive case.

but then went on to write, quite erroneously:

> "Prima nocta" would be the nominative case.

It "would be" if he had discovered a new Latin declension (the sixth?)
in which a nominative “nocta” has a genitive form “noctis”. Perhaps we
should revise all our Latin grammars to take this new discovery into
account. Nouns that we have hitherto believed to have nominative forms
like “lux” and “vox” should instead be written “luca” and “voca”. By
analogy, masculine titles like “dux” and “rex” must properly become
“ducus” and “regus”.

The crux (or cruca?) of the matter is that Hines has once again been
caught making a stupid mistake (it's been a bad week for him) and he
has tried to bluff and bluster his way out of it by means of a
slovenly Internet search. He added rudeness to ignorance by abusing me
and my name. In doing so he has reduced his credibility even more.

I would like an apology from Hines, or at least an admission that he
was wrong. Or am I expecting too much?

Pax vobiscum (or Paca vobiscum, in the new erotic rappers' Latin)

Tish


hippo

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19‏/08‏/2006، 1:13:13 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
> as impartial as they're supposed to be.

She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
here and that's the point. -the Troll


hippo

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 1:16:31 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"La N" wrote in message

> Of course, I'm not impartial. I *always* give Hippo bonus points. And

> he's a Republican Bush-admirer for gawdsakes! ...%)

Chuckle, see, you're perfect. :^) You also aren't afraid to call BS on a
BSer and you aren't stuck in the US political rut. -the Troll


La N

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 2:02:35 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
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Thank you, my sweet rubenesque hipster ....%)

- nilita


Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 3:20:30 م19‏/8‏/2006
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Leticia Cluff <tish.nos...@gmail.com> wrote:

:I would like an apology from Hines, or at least an admission that he


:was wrong. Or am I expecting too much?

You're expecting far, far too much, given that we're discussing The
Hindest. For The Hindest, "Being a git means never having to say
you're sorry."

Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 3:44:18 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

--
"Oooo, scary! Y'know, there are a lot scarier things
in the world than you ... and I'm one of them."

-- Buffy the vampire

La N

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19‏/08‏/2006، 3:48:37 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9fqee29q1pqc0glmq...@4ax.com...

> "hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote:
>
> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
> :
> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
> :
> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
>
> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).
>

I may "lean left" because I'm Canadian and a social democrat. But I sure as
hell get along with people from both political Parties in the U.S., a
country that seems so polarized politically. Having said that, I've been
called everything from a Bush-lover to a communist.

I take all these assessments with a grain of salt.

If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see any
good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.

- nilita


Fred J. McCall

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 4:11:32 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

:news:9fqee29q1pqc0glmq...@4ax.com...
:> "hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote:
:>
:> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:> :
:> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:> :
:> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
:>
:> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
:> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).
:
:I may "lean left" because I'm Canadian and a social democrat. But I sure as
:hell get along with people from both political Parties in the U.S., a
:country that seems so polarized politically. Having said that, I've been
:called everything from a Bush-lover to a communist.

No doubt. So have I. You have me categorized as 'extreme right' and
yet cannot or will not explain by what criteria you make that
judgment. It is that failure to justify your own opinions with
anything other than your own opinion that calls into question you
being "less partial and more objective" than anyone else.

As a Canadian, you are embedded in a political landscape that probably
makes it impossible for you to even see your own biases. This is why
you make some of the egregious statements that you do and then don't
understand why people are offended.

:I take all these assessments with a grain of salt.

Take it with as much salt as your ego requires. That doesn't change
the facts on the ground.

:If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see any

:good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.

On that we can agree. When I'm saying that the best choice out there
is probably John McCain, you know there's not a lot of good choices
out there.

However, once the candidates are sorted out I bet I can predict how
you'll vote (and it'll almost certainly be for whoever the Democrat
is).

I can predict who I'll vote for, too. Gore and Democratic Party's
tactics in 2000 soured me enough on the Democratic Party that it'll
take someone pretty exceptional before I'd vote for one of them again.
I don't think the Democratic Party is capable of nominating such a
person anymore.

Grey Satterfield

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 4:34:46 م19‏/8‏/2006
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On 8/19/06 2:44 PM, in article 9fqee29q1pqc0glmq...@4ax.com,

"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote:
>
> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
> :
> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
> :
> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
>
> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

Yes, she has definitely been poisoned by the Bush hatred disease. That is
why her presuming to be a "Referee" is wearing thin.

Grey Satterfield

La N

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19‏/08‏/2006، 4:40:50 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"BlackBeard" <spk...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1156018782....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Fred J. McCall wrote:

>> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> :If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see
>> any
>> :good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.
>>
>> On that we can agree. When I'm saying that the best choice out there
>> is probably John McCain, you know there's not a lot of good choices
>> out there.
>
>
> McCain and Lieberman in '08!
>
> ;)
>
>
> (duck and cover)
>

Heh. It might happen. I actually like both of them. However, on the
Democrat side, my good friend John Teague of No. Carolina speaks highly of
John Edwards. Says he has done a lot for his constituency, including
servicepeople. I value John Teague's knowledge and opinion in a lot of
areas.

- nilita


hippo

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19‏/08‏/2006، 4:44:36 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

> "hippo" wrote:

> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
> :
> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
>
> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
here. -the Troll


La N

غير مقروءة،
19‏/08‏/2006، 4:46:17 م19‏/8‏/2006
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"hippo" <hi...@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eeu1m...@corp.supernews.com...

Hell, I'm one of the few wimmin who hasn't even slept with Clinton! ...%)

- nilita (nor would i want to)


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