Is the New York Accent Disappearing?

interactive graphicA detail from the interactive feature on the New York accent by amNewYork. Go to the feature.

Writing in amNewYork today, Rolando Pujol takes a fascinating look at “the New York accent” and concludes that the accent, while subject to the forces of homogenization, is alive and, if not well, then at least evolving. (And most experts do not think it varies by borough or neighborhood.)

The article — accompanied by an interactive graphic — quotes a variety of linguistic authorities. Here is a recap of some of their observations, as cited by amNewYork:

  • William Labov, University of Pennsylvania professor of linguistics who conducted seminal studies of the New York accent in the 1960s: “The main picture is one of stability.”
  • George Jochnowitz, emeritus professor of linguistics at the College of Staten Island: The New York accent is “hanging on,” but “compared with certain other regional accents, it’s hanging on less.”
  • Walt Wolfram, professor of English linguistics at North Carolina State University: “It’s still a part of New York identity and in part is perpetuated by the outside world. And so there’s a sense in which New Yorkers buy into that.”
  • Kara Becker, New York University doctoral candidate in linguistics, who discounted the view that accents vary from borough to borough: “Linguistically we haven’t been able to identify these borough differences. What we find is that we’ve got this New York City dialect that’s accentuated by more working-class speakers.”
  • Robert M. Vago, chairman of the Linguistics Department at Queens College, who believes the New York accent endures. “It’s not going anywhere, it’s distinctive, and it’s going to be around.”

Not all the experts were in agreement. Professor Jochnowitz, for example, argued not only that homogenization has prompted the gradual fading of the New York accent but that its force was perhaps most acutely felt in Manhattan, while Ms. Becker asserted that significant differences among the boroughs could not be identified.

Just what characterizes the New York accent seems to be in flux. An “aw” sound in words like “coffee” has long been heard along the East Coast, from Providence to Baltimore, but is becoming less prominent. Those pesky R’s at the end of words seem to be enunciated more and more.

This City Room reporter — who grew up in a Chinese immigrant family in three of the five boroughs, moved around a lot, and has been told he does not have an identifiable New York accent — has a few theories of his own as to why the New York accent is weakening.

First, not only the volume, but also, the nature of immigration to the city has influenced accents. New Yorkers of Jewish, Italian or Irish ancestry in decades past were more likely to go up in fairly uniform ethnic enclaves; heavily immigrant neighborhoods today like Jackson Heights or Richmond Hill, Queens, by contrast, tend to have a greater variety of nationalities coexisting in close proximity.

Second, geographic mobility — among the relatively affluent and well-educated — has made New York a less stable community than it has been in years past. If Manhattan is losing its accent, that may have more to do with the fact that so many Manhattanites are transplants from elsewhere than because of cultural homogenization.

Third, the influence of television may be more powerful today at reducing accents, but not so much because programming has become more generic — if anything, programming is far more varied and reflective of social diversity today than in the period right after World War II — but because the amount of time spent watching television has increased so much.

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What New York accent? I’ve lived all my life – I’m 44 – and virtually never heard a Noo Yawk accent outside of a taxi cab. I’m really amazed by these findings, because I consider that stereotypical accent to have already disappeared from the city.

“If Manhattan is losing it’s accent…” I don’t know about the other boroughs, but Manhattan hasn’t had even a trace of that accent in the last twenty to twenty-five years.

I’d be really interested in knowing where these people tested for the accent, because I don’t hear it hanging on anywhere. You have to watch an old movie to hear it anymore, in my opinion.

“Not going anywhere?” It’s gone!

Pujol says many of us still drink “cawfee”. What’s the other way of pronouncing “coffee”?

My mom left NYC around the 80’s and retained her accent. Because she spent the most time raising me, I feel proud that my pronunciation tends to have a little New York lilt.

In the 60s, 70s and 80s, the recording in the Union Square subway station was a woman’s voice with as pure a New York accent as you could ask for: Please stand clee-uh of the moving plat-fohm as trains en-tuh and leave the station.
At some point along they changed the recording and it lost something. Of course the absolute worst now are those canned voices on the newest trains, god knows where they get those things, Cleveland I guess.

“I’d be really interested in knowing where these people tested for the accent,”

Probably in Lawng Island, or Joisey. Any-place that doesn’t have lots of transplants (Manhattan, some parts of Brooklyn).

New York accent? Nonsense! We don’t have an accent. Its all those other people who live in New England, upstate NY, and the other side of the Hudson that have accents.

i have the ny long island accent and basically wherever you go everyone basically knows where you are from.. so that is not always a bad thing.. at least its not as thick as the brooklyn accent which is popularized in every gangster movie.

Well I can tell you this. My husband was born and raised in Queens. His family now lives on Long Island. He left New York 7-years ago and yes, he still has that New York accent. Maybe if you live there you don’t notice it cause you hear it all the time unless you are where other cultures are living. Just like someone from the south, they don’t even begin to notice their accents. Yes, New Yorkers do have an accent.

The New York accent ay disappear but the Brooklyn accent is forever!!!

Manhattanites say “over there” but the classic, and, yes, i believe almost extinct Brooklyn accent would make that, “over dere.” All the Ts are turned into Ds, and while I agree that this accent still exists, perhaps it has indeed softened into the more generic “Noo Yawk” accent without borough differences. Historically the Brooklyn accent was found also in Baltimore, New Orleans, e.g. cities with large Catholic immigrant populations. Like Mr. Sewell Chan, I grew up in a Chinese immigrant family; I never thought I had a discernible New York accent, but that’s true only in New York! Whenever I am in the south or the mid-west I am told that I do indeed have a New York accent…

I moved abroad in 1985, even I come back to visit. I work in the tourism industry and I frequently work with people who are not from NY. When they here me speak they gasp “OMG, you have such a New York accent!” I wear it like a badge of honor. As the old saying goes, either you’re fron NY or you’re an……..

Nat, hate to tell you this but people in Cleveland do NOT say clee-uh for the word “clear” – where in the world did you get something like that?? No one in Cleveland has a NY accent unless they came there from NY.

I grew up in New York during the 60’s and 70’s and moved upstate in the 80’s. People in New York used to sound more like Archie Bunker, but now most sound like the Sopranos.

As recently as 10 years ago a NYC friend rhymed ‘dog’ with ‘morgue’.

If you can’t hear it, you’ve probably got it. Trust me.

The New Yawk accent is alive and well. Call me.

James Winston – Where did you go to school? I think that upper class New Yorkers have had no NY accent for generations. My mother noticed while visiting her college roommate in NYC in the early 80s that the friend’s children, born and raised on the Lower East Side, had no accents, nor did any of their friends. The friends went to private schools, including Dalton; our friend’s children went to the “good” public school across town in Greenwich Village. These were all children of poor but well-educated artists from out of town.

The operative here is “working class accent.” When I was just out of college in the 80s, a transplant from elsewhere, I noticed my colleagues in the various bank & legal offices where I temped had accents if they were born and raised in the boroughs, whereas my friends who were “like me” (went to good universities) did not. I started to “get it” after a while that my lack of accent – or educated accent – put me in line for admin. assist. jobs that accented women my age didn’t get. (And I have a “funny name” too, but the good accent trumps it, seemingly) Top corporate fellows wanted a temp with a good speaking voice to answer the phone and schedule meetings.

I think it was Pete Hamill who wrote about this phenomenon once – that of the high-rent college grads from elsewhere elbowing out the locals for entry-level jobs in newspapers and other places. I didn’t understand that it was a socioeconomic issue until later.

Hahd to say when the Noo Yawk accent disappeared. The Bostun accent too, seems to have been diluted, especially amongst the mobile middle classes. Howevva, if you want to hear something rather similar, its antecedents are still to be heard on the other side of the Atlantic. Old fashioned East Coast American accents, native to our grandparents in NY and Massachusetts, can be detected in strands of conversation uttered today in Eastern England, particularly Norfolk and Suffolk. Bizarrely, there is also a note of Ulster, Northern Ireland in there. And I have had to listen twice to a Somerset dairyman, interviewed on radio, to make sure this was indeed an Englishman, not an old farmer from rural Mass. In my head, when I hear my American grandparents’ voices, they are pure East Anglia with a dash of Ireland. I grew up in Westchester, spent time in Cambridge, Mass and Cambridge, England and then settled here. Apparently, I now sound like some sort of American to the Brits and a Brit to the Yanks. My children say I have ‘no accent’, I’m just mum. How am I contributing to the dilution of British accents? CCM

The accent is where the outsiders don’t move to: Staten Island.

I hope it dies… it is so ugly to hear a New York accent.

Oil/url, three/tree, deep NY accents that I remember my grandparents having. I’m talkin’ Gangs of NY time. Cheers to the NY accent (what’s up with boston’s?).

It’s always somethin… (to quote gilda from SNL)

I love the accents from all over the USA, being from Canada, I don’t think I have an accent either eh!

Pat: you mis-read the post. First sentence: pure NY accent in Union Square subway station, guess I needed to say pure = good. Second sentence: replaced that pure NY accent and lost something (good) in the process. Third sentence: what’s even worse (not worse than the pure NY accent in sentence one, there is nothing bad at all about a pure NY accent) what’s even worse than sentence two, where they lost the NY accent, is these subway recordings that do not have ANY New York accent to them at all. Haven’t you heard them. They don’t say clee-uh, no. I do not know where they got that stuff in those new subway cars, but I’ll bet my right arm they did not find those voices in New York. THAT – not the first sentence, which is about pure NY — but the non-NY subway recordings, that’s what I guessed might have come from Cleveland. Sheesh. Why bothuh wit youse.

Nat, outstanding response. I think youse gone and explain yuhself good. We’ll see if Pat has a response to that.
I teach Spanish and I have one student with a nice thick New Yawk accent, and it’s refreshing. I hope it doesn’t disappear, but accents change rapidly in urban areas, especially ones as crowded as Manhattan.

As a transplant to New York City from Upstate, I LOVE the New York accent, and really miss hearing the authentic New York conductors on the new subway trains. Sometimes I take the BMT just to hear a real voice, even if the accent now is more likely to be from the Caribbean or China or the Subcontinent or Russia than Born in Brooklyn.

My son, a born New Yorker, has no “accent” at all, nor do his friends. However, they all have New York attitude that subs for the accent that seems to be waning, at least in my Manhattan neighborhood.

Poor Pat. Perhaps learning to read is harder in places with such bland speech.