XP Runs Fine at 8 MHz & 20 MB RAM

http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

with some effort I once got win98 working on a 386...
but *that* was something!

a real time waster :)

OK wrote:

> http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

Runs *fine*, eh? 30 minutes to boot, 10 minutes to load the homepage,
and 100% CPU load when "idling". Oh well, not using Windows I wouldn't
know what kind of crap you're used to, but since you call this "fine",
it can't be much better.

For the record, I'm joking, but you were asking for it by trolling.
Also, I've seen embedded Linux systems with less power run mail, web,
and SQL servers (and the CPU actually goes idle when it's not doing
anything), so don't think this impresses anyone. That this worked was
the effort of nerds with too much time, not Microsoft.

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There is a new service pack that fixes all of IIS's problems
permanently. Go here to download it: http://www.apache.org

No, he was talking about Windows, not Linux.

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I ran Windows 3.1 on a 386SX 25 MHz laptop, after upgrading the memory
from 2 MB to 8. It was no speed demon, but I could run WordPerfect 6.1
Suite on it to get productivity out of it.

Windows 95 would be a slug on an 8 MHz, 20 MB RAM system.

I am not sure of what the point is in proving one can run XP on such
little RAM and low end processor. I have a 1.7 GHz Dell with 384 MB RAM
on XP that hoses up when running Outlook, Word, Xcel, Internet Explorer
and then try to open another application. I have to close one before I
run Adobe Reader. Then it works.

Who wants to wait 20 minutes to bring up notepad?

The operating system alone does not make up a system. The applications
that run on it do. I would prefer to see a comparison with a minimal
resource system with OS, applications suitably chosen to provide an
adequate working system for a user.

Here is an interesting article on how one uses old hardware and Linux to
integrate a 386 into a home network:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5837

> My system, tenn, (short for Tennessee Tuxedo, a cartoon penguin in
> the US) is a dual-boot Linux/MS 3.1 PI/166MHz with a 6.4GB hard drive
> and a PCI NIC. My wife's system, hilde, is a Compaq 386/25e with a
> 120MB hard drive and a NE2000 clone NIC that I added. Patch cables go
> from both systems to a D-Link 8-port hub. Looking at the software,
> she has MS-DOS version 5.0 on her computer. I have a standard install
> of SuSE 7.2 pro on my system.
>
> The idea was to set this up so that my system was a fileserver to her
> system. I solved the fileserver problem two times. The first time
> she wanted to be able to connect to my system as if it was her DOS
> d:\ partition. To do this, I set up Microsoft's DOS Network client on
> her computer and then started Samba on my Linux system.

> Back to the drawing board. I found in my SuSE CDs a DOS utility
> called XFS, an open-source NFS client for DOS. This software was what
> I needed. On her system I set up XFS and on my system I added pcnfsd
> so XFS could login.

I thought this comment was rather amusing:

> New problem: when I told my wife that I had used MS software to get
> her system connected, she was not amused at all and demanded that I
> use open-source software only. It did not sway her when I explained
> that she was already running MS-DOS. Her reasoning was that MS-DOS
> was written before MS became the evil empire, so it was okay.

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No, this is a group for talking about Linux not windopz

Hadron Quark wrote:

>> OK wrote:

No he didn't. Learn to attribute.

Now, what was the purpose of that childish troll? Do you serve any
purpose here, except to act as a bad example?

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"Yes, we all remember the (in)famous Tee-Gee Super-Duper-Linux-Exploit
Dangerous as hell it was. Whole continents where in grave danger of
laughing themselves to death" -- Peter Köhlmann in COLA

Thanks for that response Peter. Good to see you advocating away. As
Kohlmann would say I am a "true advocate" - I just dont swallow the
"kool aid" and deny issues with Linux as others do.

Hadron Quark wrote:

I did not claim to be advocating anything here. I follow COLA for the
entertainment value, and occasionally I will comment on something when I
feel like it.

Right, I don't recall you ever doing any actual Linux advocacy, so
forgive me if I will continue calling you a troll. Responses like the
one you made before are just the sort of thing you do all the time, and
why it's so very obvious that you're just here to troll.

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Then you are wrong. Very wrong.

Certainly, "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker"
Hadron "Hans Schneider" Quark. Everybody is wrong, except a select few:
Flatfish, DFS, linux-sux, Erik F and naturally you.
--
Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
Let it get in YOUR way. The problem for your problem.

Do you think? Flatfish is definitely an advocate.

< snip >

Certainly. And to emphasize his "advocacy", he nymshifted to

Abbie Diaz, Aftab Singh, Allen Cusimano, Allie Perkins, Allison Juergans,
allison_hunt1969, Alicia Hunt, Ana Thema, andyschipowitz, Anna Banger,
anonymous, Archie, Archie Moss Bunker, Archie Watermann, Baba Booey,
Babcock Johnson, babcock.latreen, Babu Singh, Bill Thomson, Billy
<billy.the.kidd>,bill.gates.loves.me, BingoBongo, bison, Bjarne Jensen,
bjornstad8800, BklynBoy, bonobo magilla, Boyce Mabri, BSEE, Bunsen Burner,
Buster, c.baumstumpff, CBFalconer, Charles LeGrand, Charlie, Choppers
McGee, Chris Thomas, Christine Abernathy, Claire Lynn, Clippy, Clock King,
Collie Entragion, Colon Singh, common cold, compton.plaines_kid, Connie
Hines, Corrie, corry.lebeu, Corrie Titlaand, Cory Dyvik, Curtis Wilson,
cymon.says, Damian O'Leary, Dana Bush, Danny Kwong, dbx_boy, Deadpenguin,
Debbie, Devon Dawson, dismoqualifetch, Donn Carlsbad, Doug Richardson,
Dragon.Boy, Dr.Long John Jones, echo.valley_26809, Elliot Zimmermann, Elwin
Winters, Emmanuel Arias, Fawn Lebowitz, flatfish+++, foamy, frank boson,
Franz Klammer, Fred Simmons, gabriele howorth, Gary Stewart, GayClod,
George Cotton, George Littlefield, Gilbert, Gilbert Goiter, Gilbert
Hochaim, gilligan, Greg Finnigan, Greg Laplante, Hans Kimm, Hans Tomlinson,
Harry Hilton, Harvey Fogel, Heather, Heather69, Heather Trax, Heddy
Seafield, Heidi van Wong, helmut.ginter, hepcat, high_pain_humper, Hugh
Himless, Ishmeal Hafizi, itchy balls, Ivan Mctavish, IvanaB, Jason,
jeff.smiley, Jeff Szarka, jjwassermann, Joe Josephson, John, John Shelton,
Jorge Jorgensen, jorge_shillingford, Jose Lopez, juke_joint, kaptain kaput,
Karel Olish, Karen Hill, Karla Snodgress, kathy_krantz, Kaylie Solomon,
Kendra, Kenneth Downs, Kenny Dugan, Kent Dorfman, Ken Johnson, Kim Coinop,
Kinglen Wang, Kristen, kumba killington, Kurt Janker, Kyle Cadet, L Didio,
Laura Shillingford, Le Farter, Le Yammy, Leaking Onion, Leo Diaz, Les
Cramer, Les Turner, Les Walton, Leslie Bassman, Lilly, Lindy,
linux.curious, Linux Exposer, Lisa Shavas, Lisa Cottmann, Lois Hunt, Long,
long_tong_ling, Lukumi Babalu Aye, Luna Lane, Major Mynor, Manny, Mario
Fermin, McSwain, mista twista,Mogumbo, Moses, Mooshoo Bong Singh,
narrows_...@yahoo.com, nate_mcspook, Navid Shakibapour, okto_pussy,
organ.creep, OSS KDE User, Paddy McCrockett, Paul Wannamaker, Paris
Marriot, Patricia, Patrick Landrum, Patty LeGrange, patty pippins, Patty
Poppins, percy samson, Peter Gluckman, Peter Kohlmann, peter.traphagen,
Phil, Phillip Cornwall, phoung, phoung quoak, pickle_pete, Piss Clam, Poopy
Pants McGee, Quimby, Quinton Magee, Quizno Backer, Ray Schitzmepantz, Rich,
Richard P. Johnson, Richie, Richie O'Toole, Richie Spano, Robert Strunk,
rothstein_ivan, Roy_Pestowitz, Roy.Schavedmenutz, RP Modell, Sally Vadi,
Sammy, Sammy Whalen, Saul Goldblatt, schavemetitz, Schestertitz,
schestowizzle, schestowitz, schitzmepantz, schisterwitz, Schlomo Smykowski,
Sharon Cackle, Sharon Hubbasland, Sean, Sean Fitzhenry, Sean Macpherson,
Sewer Rat, sewer_clown, Shelly K., Sherlock Holmes , Schlomo Rabinowitz,
Simon, simply.lisa, sista sledgehammer, slacker.mcspritze, Spammy_Davis,
spanny_davis, Stefan Karstensen, Stephan Simonsen, Stephanie, Stephanie
Mannerz, Stephen, Stephen Olsen, Stephen Townshend, stomach.pump, SuckyB,
Sue, sue quinterra, SunnyB, Susan, Susan Bladder, Susan Lapinski, Susan
Wong, Suzi Wong, Suzie Wong, Swampee, Ted Bennington, Terri Sorensen, Terry
Porter, The Beaver, Thorsten, Thorsten Thigpen, Timmy Luncford , Toby
Rastus Roosovelt III, toe.mein, Tomas Bicsak, tomas.bozak, Tomas Dunton,
Tomas Lucatorto, Tori, Tori Wassermann, Torre Stanslaand, Trace Dennison,
Tracee, Traci, traci.pusey, Traci Spritzendrainer, trailerpark, Trina
Swallows, Trolly, Trudi Simpkins, Tryxie Lustern, Uday Shankar,
victimizedb, victimizedbyms, Vince Fontain, Vladimir Yepifano, Walter
Bubniak, Wang Mycock, Wasser, wendy, Wendy Duzz, Whizzer, Wilbur J, willy
watkins jr, Willy Wong, Winnie Septos, wizard.shot, Wobbles, Yanick
Schmuley and zyklon_C.
Plus many, many, many more.

It could be worse, but it'll take time.

Don't be so childish & ridiculous.

*snip*

>
>
> http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

And I have some really nice swampland I'd like to sell you in Arizona.

Well, what can I say? After all, you Hadron, "true linux advocate"
and "kernel hacker" call flatfish (of all people) an "advocate".
Flatfish is a liar, he nymshifts like mad, he is a sick troll, he is a
software thief and he is also a vile racist.

Yup, definitely an "advocate". Just not a "linux advocate". But then, so
aren't you.

--
Microsoft: The company that made email dangerous
And web browsing. And viewing pictures. And...

Quite rich coming from Quack/Schneider, dontcha think...

If flatfish is Quack/Schneider's "hero", then he's got *very* low
standards.

--
Contrary to popular belief, the M$ trolls & shills
*can* tell the difference between their arse
& their elbow.
They can't talk out of their elbow.

Well, he hasn't quite grokked the "pot, kettle, black" thing...

Ever noticed how he responded to flatfishs post before he announced that he
would "leave" cola (only to reappear, as "Hans Schneider" for example, at
once, practically the next day)?
He was, in nearly every regard, a flatfish clone
And easily as dishonest. BTW, flatfish has also "left" cola multiple times

< snip >
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We may not return the affection of those who like us,
but we always respect their good judgement.

Hm.

30 minute coffee breaks during reboots aren't
exactly something the management will approve of,
when a new Vista-capable machine can be had for
a tiny bit more than the price of the Vista OS alone.

(OK, for some version of "Vista".)

Dimension E521, Dell. $409 base list price, AMD Sempron
3400+, 512 MB (free upgrade from 256 MB), 80 GB ATA @
7200 RPM, 16x DVD ROM, no monitor but one can get a 17"
E773 conventional CRT for $60, nVidia 6150 LE Integrated
GPU, 7.1 channel audio, and of course Genuine Windows
Vista Home basic.

Much cheaper than having frustrated office staff, methinks. :-)

But here's where it might get interesting.

Dimension E521n for $379. Uninstalled FreeDOS. 1GB RAM
(free upgrade from 512 MB). 80 GB ATA @ 7200, everything
else the same (although they do have an additional option
for the video card, a 256 MB nVidia unit). And yes, they
did actually change the icon for the OS; it's now a black
box with a C:\> prompt.

Subtract $95 -- half the ugprade cost for 1 to 2 GB --
and one gets $284. That gives an effective cost for
Windows Home Basic of $125.

Not bad, Dell. Maybe they're finally starting to get
it. :-) But one still has to read between the lines.
One problem is that the Dimension E521n line can have
either an AMD Sempron or AMD Athlon, and the $689 is
for their top of the line product in the Open-Source
side, but the Dimension E521 is offered for $468 --
with less RAM. (Erm....$409 to $468? I'd have to dig
to figure that one out. Most likely a heftier CDROM
or disk drive.)

And the AMD Athlon config screen still shows that
flag-in-a-circle for the OS selection.

Caveat emptor, as usual.

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Indeed. The title is wildly misleading; there is a major difference
between "runs" and "runs fine". For an OS to "run fine", IMO, it must be
able to perform useful tasks in a reasonable timeframe.

So take that 20Mhz machine with 20MB RAM running XP and, oh, fire up Word,
open a 20-page document and do some editing.

Now try the same thing using Linux with a lightweight wm. Still painful,
yes, and nowhere near what I'd call "running fine", but it's going to run
somewhat better.

Now get into mid-range machines; 300-500Mhz with, oh, 64-256MB RAM and
compare XP versus Linux. Better yet, compare what's current - Vista
versus, oh, the latest release of Debian. Get back to us when - if -
Vista is installed, booted, and running an actual app. :)

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