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 More options Mar 21 2004, 3:15 pm
Newsgroups: misc.survivalism
From: Alan Connor <zzz...@xxx.yyy>
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:15:08 GMT
Local: Sun, Mar 21 2004 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: If Alan can do it, I Can Do It! **** CONTEST ****

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:05:40 -0500, Jeffrey Schwartz <jeffreyschwa...@comcast.net> wrote:

Jeffry says that I am making it all up.

Notice that instead of proof, he offers nothing but word games.

I can describe, right off the top of my head, how to do anything that I
claim to do.

I know stuff, and Jeffrey can write fantasy stories.

Jeffrey can watch TV and I can live off the land....

Perhaps he needs to find a more appropriate newsgroup for his ravings?

Just a thought....

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The bullshit posted about me and my people on this group is just incredible.

Have these people ever even HEARD of logic or honesty?  Apparently not.

To set the record straight.

(Nothing posted on the Usenet is in and of itself proof of anything. But I obviously know more
about living directly from the Land than any 50 of these couch pototoes, which is one heck of
a lot more evidence in support of my claims than they offer in support of theirs. They all claim
that they KNOW I am lying, but not one of them can produce even my location, which they would
have to have in order to have observed how I live and determine that it was not as I claimed.
They talk out of their asses and expect rational adults to mistake those assholes for mouths.
Pretty silly.)

I live in a little village up in the mountains that is materially self-sufficient in the basics.

We don't need anything that you have, and want even less.

Your laws have no meaning here, and because we don't need or want what you have, you have no way
of obtaining a handle on us.

Our paths do not cross in the real world, because our cultures are so radically different. Water
and oil, actually....

What we have achieved is only remarkable to stupid people, and I mean that literally, and not as
a gratuitous insult:

For 99.999% of Human history, people have lived on the Earth without your culture. Millions still
do, and in relative plain sight of you:  Such people can be seen on your TV and in your magazines,
like National Geographic, and on the Web.

And we have/had the incredible advantage of being able to select the most useful ways and technologies
of many of these cultures; the best of what they had/have to offer.

I am not even claiming to be one of the founders of the culture I have joined. The founders were
members of "Hippy Communes" in the late 60's.  They did all the real work. I only had to 'go to
school' here to learn these ways. Pretty cushy, actually. It was a wonderful experience.

We don't engage in brutality, killing or maiming, ever. Period. When you can say the same thing,
you can criticize our defensive strategies and tactics.

Which we only need because we are surrounded by brutal imperialists, the Americans, who claim that
their country is "free", but will not permit people to live outside of their earth-raping, war-making,
de facto-slave creating economy.

That's not 'freedom'. Without the right of non-participation, there is no freedom.
So we have to remain invisible, in the real world, to the Americans, the people we have left behind
culturally, if not geographically.

This is not difficult. They look constantly, from satellites and aircraft and trucks for squatters on
what they call their "Public Lands", but they look only for people that are dependent on their
economy, or live as the 'Native Americans' or 'Pioneers' lived.

We don't live like any of those cultures. The average American could drive or walk within 50 yards
of one of our settlements and see nothing but 'wilderness'. (Not that they are built near roads or
the very few hiking trails used by Americans.)

We put out no smoke, our buildings are covered with living soil and plants and have no windows. There
are no vehicles or domestic animals or engines. Nothing that an American would recognize as a path.

The gardens are spread out over many, many acres, sometimes even on the other side of a ridge. They
look like natural plant communities. No one who knows the mountain west of 'North America' is surprised
to see domestic plants, especially food plants, out in the forest: The miners and trappers and home-
steaders of a previous era left such plants all over the place, from their gardens, and many have
went feral. Contemporary homesteaders have contributed even more species to the pool, usually un-
wittingly. Farmers and ranchers too: The critters carry the seeds away and the cattle and sheep
spread domestic and Eurasian seeds everywhere. (Noxious Weeds, the bad ones are called, and are a
huge problem on the 'Public Lands'.  Talk to your Forest Service.)

To avoid putting out an infrared signature, we use big clockwork motors to mix our outgoing air, 1:20
with ambient air before dispersing it through multiple outlets.

To avoid being spotted by ground-probing radar, we minimize the use of metals, and keep any metallic
objects in charcoal-lined containers when not in use, and well spread out.

Outside, we always wear full camoflauge and remain under the trees for the most part.

The routes we choose to travel on are never those that the typical American or Deer would choose.

Americans almost never wander farther than 50 yards from their vehicles, and that includes Rangers and
Poachers. I have not seen a an American hiker in these thousands of acres of National Forest since
I have been here. They stay on a limited number of more-or-less developed and well-utilized trails.
Most Deer Butchers kill from the roads.

We never cross paths with Americans in the real world unless we choose to.

AC


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